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Fightback by Demonstration


Fightback by Demonstration

Documentation of demonstrations and other public protests in defence of the 4 freedoms.

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About This Room

Its difficult to find all the relevant material for the various counter-Sharia movements, and some items like Youtube videos, are deliberately 'hidden' by opposing groups using misleading search tags. Hence this room is to collect these records for historical and research purposes, for everyone concerned, including both journalists and activists.

As regards members of 4F, by all means post brief corrections to these reports as comments, but if you wish to start a lengthy discussion, its best to do it elsewhere, like in the UK Room, so that this room can simply act as an objective records repository.

Discussion Forum

EDL Wellington demo - On then Off

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Kinana Apr 6, 2019. 5 Replies

Tommy Robinson with Pegida, Dresden 16 December 2018

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 18, 2018. 1 Reply

Tommy Robinson with Pegida, Dresden 21 October 2018

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Oct 22, 2018. 1 Reply

Justice For Chelsea Demo1 (13 May 2017)

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 24, 2017. 3 Replies

EDL Coventry Demo, 21 May 2016

Started by Kinana May 13, 2017. 0 Replies

Tommy Robinson in Dresden Pegida Rally October 2016

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Oct 16, 2016. 1 Reply

Tommy Robinson in Prague

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Sep 28, 2016. 1 Reply

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Comment by Alan Lake on December 13, 2010 at 5:32

sorry, too busy to do it right now, not enough hands!!

Comment by Pat McCrann on December 11, 2010 at 11:30

I have some press cuttings I collected on the press around the Peterborough visit by EDL. Is this the right place to post it up when I get the chance? And also...

Tha Grenadier said... were are the speechess for Peterbourough

Yeah. Where are they?

Comment by Tha Grenadier on December 10, 2010 at 21:53

were are the speechess for Peterbourough

Comment by peterpedant on March 24, 2010 at 16:45
On the subject of social cohesion, British muslims are so uniformly and strongly anti-gay It's quite an amazing phenomenon really. Gallup did a survey of 500 randomly selected muslims, and not a single one supported gay rights. That's very unusual for a mainstream survey.

Surveys show that virtually 100% of British muslims believe homosexual acts are morally unacceptable, and 61% believe homosexuality should be illegal. Imagine the outcry if one our slogans was "61% of British people want to see islam criminalized".

36% of 16-24 year olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death.

This is no 'tiny minority' as we are always erroniously led to beleive - this is a significant minority; and the trend shows an increase in the radical mindset of born and bred 'Brits" compared to the first generation of immigrants.
Comment by Darth Vader on October 15, 2009 at 21:23
Last year the British Center for Social Cohesion released a survey held under British Muslim students. Some outcomes were horrifying: 32 percent said killing in the name of religion can be justified and 40 percent supported the introduction of Sharia law into British law.

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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