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Muslim Reformers


Muslim Reformers

This room is for Muslims who try to moderate Islam, i.e. reform it, resist the drift to fundamentalism, or leave it. It also includes threatened sects like the Ahmadiyyas.

Anyone curious as to why Islamic Moderates are not more evident need only look at this room for an explanation - the Moderates get murdered very quickly.

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Key Info

The Islamic juggernaut does not take kindly to anyone who stands in its way, whether they be those trying to form a more modern or liberal view of Islam, or those who merely want to maintain a secular state (as in Turkey or Pakistan) separate from encroachment by Islam and Sharia Law .
Theologians like Rashad Khalifa, tried to reform the fundamental texts and interpretation of Islam, and paid with their lives.  Secularists like Benazir Bhutto merely tried to stop Islamism taking over the functioning secular democracy. This statist position can also be defended by a non-Muslim in an Islamic country.  Apostates reject the teaching of Islam, but generally don't want to take a political stance on the issue.  They just want to get on with their own lives without fear of persectuion.  All these people are persecuted socially and legally, threatened with violence, and frequently murdered.

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  • Our naive government brings gangsters from the hell holes of Afghanistan and Pakistan, like the Islamists that killed these couragous women, so the thugs can lord it over us, and make us submit to their specially uniformed tribe - Alan Lake

Discussion Forum

Taj Hargey - they will probably kill him

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings May 17, 2013. 1 Reply

Islam and Violence: the Double Bind

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony May 10, 2013. 3 Replies

Muslims Against Islamists

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana May 8, 2013. 3 Replies

From The Heart Of A Muslim - by Tawfik Hamid

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 7, 2012. 17 Replies

UK: Muslim bombers target EDL Dewsbury Rally

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Jul 13, 2012. 4 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 31, 2014 at 12:06

Don't these twits know that Mohammed  cribbed from the Torah and Bible?

They really do believe that the angel of Allah dictated a completely new scripture to Mohammed? It explains why Muslims are liars, telling the truth will get you killed. Of course Mohammed told them to lie anyway. I think they just choose to be offended because it gives them licence to be sadists.

Comment by Joe on August 31, 2014 at 9:09

Turkish ex-mufti.

his main estrangement from Islam happened when he compared the Quran with other ‎religious books. ‎

‎”Then I realized how Muhammad transferred some of the writings of the Torah and Bible to ‎the Quran. I was so frustrated and angry. I could not live my childhood and youth properly ‎because of him. So many people can’t live properly because of him. So many people are ‎sufferers of his disasters."

He was murdered by muslims who killed critics of islam, just as they were when  commanded by Mohammed in the 7th century.

Comment by Kinana on July 31, 2014 at 16:26

'there is a problem with false converts to Christianity'

The Spanish Inquisition was set up partly to address that problem.  

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 31, 2014 at 9:47

Firasat is genuine, but there is a problem with false converts to Christianity, and Muslims will lie about just about anything.

Comment by paul collings on July 30, 2014 at 19:00

Hi Joe,

That is disturbing news. I was wondering why Norway was on high alert, I think your right this would seem to explain it.

When you think most European countries wouldn't deport a Muslim without assurances of their health and wellbeing to a country with the death penalty, its hard to imagine this is going to happen.

I would also look at his crime. Criticizing Islam and calling the Koran violent and should be banned...... we have all said that.

Comment by Joe on July 30, 2014 at 18:44

Firasat moved to Norway, but is being expelled back to Spain (where he faces deportation to Pakistan, and then execution).

I wonder: was his recent/imminent arrival in Norway the reason why they were on a high-alert for terrorism and closed the airspace round Bergen?  Could it really be the case that this man is so dangerous to islam, that the Norwegian Quislings would respond like that?

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 9, 2014 at 18:40
Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 31, 2014 at 8:38

Memri is headquartered in Washington, otherwise they would all have certainly been killed. They have restored my belief that Arabs(Muslims) given freedom are just as capable and intelligent as anyone.

They here give a fantastically precise description of Muslim behaviour and culture. Poor bastards those Muslims living in Muslim countries that have their minds open to reality.

I am very thankful to these people because being white and saying the same I am simply dismissed as racist. 

The message and the factual truth is that the cause of most of the woes of the Arabs and other Muslim peoples is ISLAM.

and that the greatest problem that we have in the West is Muslim immigration.

The solution reject Islam, oppose Islam, destroy Islam, make Islam impotent by, like these people, simply stating what Islam in fact is.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 31, 2014 at 7:53
Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 11, 2014 at 12:06

Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

The two current threats to Secular Democracy (SD) of Islam and Debt arise due to fundamental vulnerabilities in its constitution. Hence the 4 Freedoms definitions give 4 corrections to that ideology.

We have little expectation of those corrections being implemented, because SD rests on an even more fundamental fallacy, that:
The 'open marketplace' of ideas driven by rational self interest will lead to ideological well being - in the same way that Adam Smith's free market of prices leads to economic well being.

But ideological faction is not comparable with economic grouping, because the rational self interest of ideological actors performs differently to that of economic actors. Consequently, the open society of SD, will succumb gradually to any strong, unified gang, of which, Islam is one example.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks; nor to read them; nor even to record them, so 4F gives only a sample view of how far it has advanced and by what methods. We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and will force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow Muslims the possibility of escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These freedoms protect against four vulnerabilities in standard definitions of democracy.
1. Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of free speech and democracy
2. Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed -except one advocating the end of free speech and democracy
3. Freedom from Religious Intrusion
Religion & culture operate freely in the private sphere, but are regulated by law in the public sphere
4. Freedom from Debt
The electorate is not allowed to live off debt and dump it on the next generation

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