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This room is for Muslims who try to moderate Islam, i.e. reform it, resist the drift to fundamentalism, or leave it. It also includes threatened sects like the Ahmadiyyas.
Anyone curious as to why Islamic Moderates are not more evident need only look at this room for an explanation - the Moderates get murdered very quickly.
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The Islamic juggernaut does not take kindly to anyone who stands in its way, whether they be those trying to form a more modern or liberal view of Islam, or those who merely want to maintain a secular state (as in Turkey or Pakistan) separate from encroachment by Islam and Sharia Law .
Theologians like Rashad Khalifa, tried to reform the fundamental texts and interpretation of Islam, and paid with their lives. Secularists like Benazir Bhutto merely tried to stop Islamism taking over the functioning secular democracy. This statist position can also be defended by a non-Muslim in an Islamic country. Apostates reject the teaching of Islam, but generally don't want to take a political stance on the issue. They just want to get on with their own lives without fear of persectuion. All these people are persecuted socially and legally, threatened with violence, and frequently murdered.
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Most Muslims genuinely believe that Islam is wonderful. So any idea that it is possible to convert Muslims in large numbers or to reform Islam at all is pointless. It is very unlikely that Islam will change into something less harmful. It is changing, it is reawakening, it is becoming more fundamental and the fundament of Islam is force, violence and conquest. We cannot fight Islam on Muslim ground, we can only fight it in our countries, by which I mean wipe out every trace of it.
"The individual can change, but Islam cannot."
There is no islam without muslims. They are the hosts which carry this virus. In the UK they are free to leave islam. Every one of them who does not actively oppose islam helps to passively impose islam on the others. And on us.
Lee, i understand your position. Muslims are taught by Islam to have a mind-set and to behave in ways that we would disagree with and even fight. However, i know it is possible for individual Muslims to be ignorant of the teachings of the faith they claim to believe in. For me the distinction between the teachings of Islam and individual Muslims is important. The individual can change, but Islam cannot.
Lee, you might also be interested to know, I've been in conversations together with Alan and with people who know all the "muslim reformers" in the UK intimately. That person told us that not one of these reformers was a muslim - they are all ex-muslims. Yet they pretend to be muslims because
All of this will be revealed in the next 12 months or so.
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