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Were they on way to bomb EDL rally? Police probe after Taliban-styl...

One theory is the occupants were planning to bomb a march by the notorious far-right group taking place just hours later

The foe: The EDL hold another march in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire
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Counter-terror police were yesterday investigating whether two men found with a bomb in their car were on their way to attack an English Defence League rally.

They discovered the Afghanistan-style explosive device by sheer chance when they pulled over the vehicle on the M1.

Also hidden in the boot were two guns, ammunition and leaflets warning “infidels” not to follow the EDL, David Cameron and the Queen.

One theory is the two male occupants were planning to bomb a march by the notorious anti-Islamic group taking place just hours after they were stopped.

Officers only discovered the guns and bomb two days after impounding the car for having no insurance last Saturday.

By then police had already let the driver and passenger go.

Detectives traced the owner of the car and armed police carried out raids in Birmingham and West Yorkshire this week. Seven men were arrested.

It is the first time such an improvised explosive device – used by Taliban insurgents to kill British troops in Afghanistan – has been found in the UK.

Almost 500 members of the far-right EDL marched in Dewsbury last Saturday, where one of the suspects lives.

They had widely publicised the event – bragging that they were coming to take over the “Islamic republic of Dewsbury”.

It is not known how big the suspect device was or the destruction it could have caused if detonated.

Saturday’s incident began when uniformed motorway cops pulled over the car as it travelled south on the M1 between junctions 33 and 34 in South Yorkshire.

The numberplate recognition system in their vehicle alerted them that the vehicle was uninsured.

It is believed one of the unsuspecting officers drove the vehicle to a local police pound where the driver and passenger were freed.

It was only on Monday, when a full inspection of the car was made, that the IED, weapons and leaflets were discovered.

This sparked the huge Midlands anti-terror hunt for the occupants and any of their accomplices.

West Midlands police arrested three men – believed to include the driver and passenger – aged 23, 26 and 27 in Sparkhill, Birmingham, on Tuesday.

A 23-year-old and two men aged 22 were held in raids in the Alum Rock, Smethwick and Moseley areas of the city the following evening.

A man of 43 was arrested in Dewsbury on Thursday.

Anti-terror officers spent yesterday searching a house in the town belonging to Mohammed Mohazim Akbar.

The dad-of-three set up a boxing club in 2009 to get youngsters off the streets.

One neighbour said: “They are a wonderful family and this must be one huge mistake.”

All the suspects who were arrested were last night being quizzed on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.

It is believed two of the men arrested in Sparkhill are brothers of a terror suspect currently awaiting trial in the UK.

The 20-year-old is accused of collecting money for terrorism, travelling to Pakistan for terrorism training and travelling abroad to commit acts of terrorism.

A West Midlands police spokesman said: “The arrests followed a routine stop. 

“Firearms, offensive weapons and other material were later found hidden inside, prompting police to take action to trace and arrest the driver, passenger and others suspected of being involved.

“The items from the vehicle are currently undergoing forensic analysis and searches are or have been carried out at the addresses of those in custody.”

IEDs

Undated MoD handout photo of some Improvised Explosive Device (IED) components found inside an IED factoryKillers: Haul of IEDs in Afghanistan
PA

Improvised explosive devices, or IEDs – the number one killer of Nato troops in Afghanistan – have been used in armed conflicts and terrorist atrocities since the Vietnam War.

They come in all shapes and sizes – from bombs strapped to suicide attackers to booby-trapped houses.

And US intelligence warns that terrorists may one day surgically implant them for suicide missions.

In Afghanistan, many roadside IEDs are packed with metal fragments to cause maximum injury.

But in the past two years, the Taliban has developed “invisible” IEDs, with no metal or ­electronic parts.

IEDs can also include car bombs, the worst being Unabomber Timothy McVeigh, who killed 168 people in the Oklahoma City attack in 1995.

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Express report on the subject ; http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/331453

Three men 'planned to attack English Defence League'

10 July 2012

The alleged target was the EDL, who had held a rally in Dewsbury earlier that day

Three men from Birmingham have appeared in court accused of plotting to attack members of the English Defence League.

Jewel Uddin, 26, Omar Mohammed Khan, 27, and Mohammed Hasseen, 23, all from Sparkhill, appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court on terror charges.

They were arrested in raids last week after police stopped a car on the M1 and found guns, knives, machetes and a home-made explosive device.

The case has been sent to the Old Bailey for a hearing on 31 July.

Mr Uddin, Mr Khan and Mr Hasseen are charged under the Terrorism Act 2006, accused of preparing for an act or acts of terrorism with the intention of committing such acts.

They are accused of manufacturing an improvised explosive device, as well as acquiring firearms and other weapons, and vehicles connected with their alleged plans.

The arrests, by the West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit, followed a routine police stop of a vehicle on the M1 near Sheffield, South Yorkshire, on 30 June.

The alleged target of the attack was the anti-Islamic group, the English Defence League, who had held a rally in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, earlier that day.

Our correspondent says the defendants, all with dark hair and beards, wore black sweatshirts and trousers as they sat in the dock at Tuesday's hearing.

Four other men detained in connection with the investigation remain in custody.

They are a 22-year-old man from Smethwick, West Midlands; a 22-year-old man from Alum Rock, Birmingham; a 24-year-old man from Moseley, Birmingham; and a man aged 43 from Kirklees, West Yorkshire.

Police have been given until Wednesday to charge, release or apply for a warrant of further detention for three of them. The fourth man can be held until Thursday

Were they on way to bomb EDL rally? Police probe after Taliban-styl...

One theory is the occupants were planning to bomb a march by the notorious far-right group taking place just hours later


 I don't believe that they where on the way to bomb the rally, for the simple reason that when they where stopped they where heading in the wrong direction. If the where heading north it would make sense, as Dewsbury is in that direction. Also it doesn't make sense, that they would being going to Dewsbury in an un-insured car, seeing that there would be a large police presence, in would have made sense if the had gone a few days earlier, and stored the weapons at the house of the muslim who lived there.

 I have a gut feeling that this incident is being used so as to frighten member of the EDL to stay away from future rallies, as many will now think twice before attending any demo in the future.

 I do not think the EDL are are prime target of the islamists, because the media/ lefttards are countering the EDL quite effectively, and are supportive of muslims, so bombing the EDL would be counter productive, as muslims will be showing their true face.

 There are many who would say the EDL deserved to be bombed, especially those on the left, they will lose sight that those killed where innocent, instead they will say the EDL asked for it. By drawing attention to the EDL, many will lose sight that innocent people where the intended target and likely to be killed. These would be murderers could have been heading any where, and it is just as likely they where on the way to the Olympics, or to a theatre, cinema, or even a school for a repeat of the Beslam massacre.

 This type of reporting is disgusting, the media have totally failed, these moslem where preparing to kill innocent people somewhere in England, it could have been any where and the victims could have been any one, but the media refuse to say this, they are minimizing the threat that we all face.

 By this type of reporting, the media have proved that they are criminally traitorous

 

 

From the link provided by Antony.  nb the date of the article, two days before the article supplied by Alan Lake.

EDL RALLIES ‘TARGET OF A MUSLIM TERROR PLOT’

A large group of English Defence League members march through Luton

A large group of English Defence League members march through Luton

Sunday July 8,2012

By James Murray

SENIOR officers are rethinking how English Defence League marches will be policed after discovering they could be targets for bombing campaigns by Muslim extremists.

An Improvised Explosive Device similar to those used against British troops in Afghanistan was found in a car after police stopped two Asian men on June 30.

Two guns and ammunition were also seized.

Counter-terrorism detectives are trying to establish if there was an intent to attack supporters of the anti-Islamic protest group who raised tensions on an EDL march through Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, the same day.

Police say the car was stopped because it had no insurance and the two occupants were not held at that point.

However, after the arms cache was found, seven men aged between 22 and 43 were arrested in the West Midlands and West Yorkshire last week.

Documents in the vehicle allegedly contained anti-EDL propaganda.

Police sources say EDL marches are attracting a large number of anti- Fascists and Muslim extremists.

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As soon as the items were discovered in the impounded vehicle, our priority was to protect the public by pursuing and arresting those we believed to be involved
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Detective Chief Superintendent Kenny Bell

They are also concerned about reports suggesting the EDL has forged links with Sikh extremists following the rape of a Sikh woman by a Muslim.

Detective Chief Superintendent Kenny Bell, of the West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit, said: “As soon as the items were discovered in the impounded vehicle, our priority was to protect the public by pursuing and arresting those we believed to be involved.”

In a separate investigation, Scotland Yard counter-terrorism officers yesterday arrested a 22-year-old woman in Hackney, east London, on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.

It follows six arrests on Thursday over the suspected terror plot.

British Muslim convert Richard Dart, 29, who changed his name to Salahuddin al-Britani, is believed to have been one of three people detained in Ealing, west London, and was arrested in the street.

He appeared in a BBC Three documentary, My Brother The Islamist, made by his stepbrother Robb Leech last year. It described how Dart, originally from Weymouth, Dorset, had been converted by controversial cleric Anjem Choudary.

In the documentary he spoke of his support for jihad and Sharia law.

Also detained in Ealing, at separate home addresses, were a 21-year-old man and a woman of 30.

Three men aged 18, 24 and 26, believed to be members of the same Bangladeshi family, were arrested in a raid on their home just over a mile from the Olympic site in Stratford, east London.

The six, who include a former Police Community Support Officer, remain in custody at a south-east London police station on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.

Warrants of further detention were granted at Westminster magistrates court.

The alleged plot involved Islamist extremists with potential targets in Britain but was not linked to the Olympics, it is understood.

The threat to the UK from international terrorism is currently rated substantial – the third highest of five levels.

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