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Apostate & Reformer Victims of Kuffarphobia

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Apostate & Reformer Victims of Kuffarphobia

This room is for Muslims who try to moderate Islam, i.e. reform it, resist the drift to fundamentalism, or leave it. It also includes threatened sects like the Ahmadiyyas.

Anyone curious as to why Islamic Moderates are not more evident need only look at this room for an explanation - the Moderates get murdered very quickly.

Search Site: http://4freedoms.ning.com/main/search/search?q=Zmoderate+Zapostate
Members: 12
Latest Activity: Jul 17, 2015

Key Info

The Islamic juggernaut does not take kindly to anyone who stands in its way, whether they be those trying to form a more modern or liberal view of Islam, or those who merely want to maintain a secular state (as in Turkey or Pakistan) separate from encroachment by Islam and Sharia Law .
Theologians like Rashad Khalifa, tried to reform the fundamental texts and interpretation of Islam, and paid with their lives.  Secularists like Benazir Bhutto merely tried to stop Islamism taking over the functioning secular democracy. This statist position can also be defended by a non-Muslim in an Islamic country.  Apostates reject the teaching of Islam, but generally don't want to take a political stance on the issue.  They just want to get on with their own lives without fear of persectuion.  All these people are persecuted socially and legally, threatened with violence, and frequently murdered.

Member Quotes

  • Our naive government brings gangsters from the hell holes of Afghanistan and Pakistan, like the Islamists that killed these couragous women, so the thugs can lord it over us, and make us submit to their specially uniformed tribe - Alan Lake

Discussion Forum

Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed & Gay Friendly Mosques

Started by Joe. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Sep 28, 2014. 3 Replies

Muslim 'Apostate' tortured and executed by ISIS

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Sep 27, 2014. 4 Replies

Taj Hargey - they will probably kill him

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings May 17, 2013. 1 Reply

Islam and Violence: the Double Bind

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony May 10, 2013. 3 Replies

Muslims Against Islamists

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana May 8, 2013. 3 Replies

From The Heart Of A Muslim - by Tawfik Hamid

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 7, 2012. 17 Replies

UK: Muslim bombers target EDL Dewsbury Rally

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Jul 13, 2012. 4 Replies

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Comment by Joe on February 23, 2013 at 1:45

Pakistan's Ambassador to US threatened with blasphemy because she opposes blasphemy laws!  She could be executed if found guilty.  It's like something from Life of Brian (but without the humour).

http://www.charismanews.com/world/38360-pakistani-man-accuses-ambas...

Comment by Joe on February 21, 2013 at 1:17

SYRIAN REBEL JIHADIS BEHEAD ALAWITES, EXECUTIONERS CALLS THEM ‘KUFFAR DOGS'


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f8_1361297196

Comment by Antony on February 8, 2013 at 11:26

Ayatollah sanctioned 20 000 murders ; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/irans-srebrenic... - and the leftists,"anarchists" & Eurocrats still have'nt learned the lesson of how the islamists treat their allies once their useful idiots have ceased being useful.

Comment by Alan Lake on July 4, 2012 at 6:34

Over one hundred people joined the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain’s hugely successful 5th anniversary celebration luncheon in London on 23 June 2012.

Guests heard from philosopher AC Grayling, theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss, comedian Kate Smurthwaite, writer Gita Sahgal, singer/songwriter Shelley Segal, dancer Maryam Freeflower, DV8 Physical Theatre Director Lloyd Newson, and poet Lilith. Magician Neil Edwards also performed whilst CEMB founder Maryam Namazie gave the closing address.

In his keynote address, AC Grayling said: '...The history of the world and not just the western world but of the world in the last 3-4 centuries has turned on the very crucial fact – the fact that there were people who had the courage to think for themselves...'

Lawrence Krauss said: '...We are all ex-Muslims... it’s true in the sense that all of us are fighting ignorance and superstition and a world where policies are made and people are oppressed on the basis of these things...'

Writer Gita Sahgal said: '...Council of Ex-Muslims is particularly important because it is dangerous to declare yourself having lost faith even in Britain and in fact in some places it is getting more dangerous. One of the reasons it is getting more dangerous is because ...there is virtually no support from any public source for people who have actually left their religion.'

Photos of the event can be found here.

The CEMB also received many wonderful messages of support and solidarity to mark its fifth anniversary, including from Richard Dawkins, Taslima Nasrin and Mina Ahadi.

In her closing address, Maryam Namazie said: Whilst CEMB is many things to many people... it is first and foremost a challenge to political Islam. It is meant to shock and provoke. Throughout history that is how barbarity has been pushed back – not by tiptoeing around it, accommodating it, appeasing it, tolerating it but by facing it head on.' She went on to say: 'Pragmatism never changed the world but we intend to.' You can read her full speech here.

Comment by Alan Lake on July 1, 2012 at 5:11

Just look at the figures.  The new forums above record 10 murders of moderate peace loving imams in Dagestan in the past year alone.  The total figure is, of course, much higher.  

Is this the mythical protection of a 'Moderate Islam', that the Leftards gamble the future of this country, and the safety of its people, on?

Comment by Joe on June 15, 2012 at 19:26

Shiva noted this atheist being punished in Indonesia.

http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/indonesia/forum/topics/civil-servan...

Comment by Joe on May 27, 2012 at 11:39

Muslim politician revealed at his funeral that he had previously converted to christianity.  Why hide this?  Because of the repression/violence he would have endured had he told people earlier.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/05/greece-muslim-politician-revealed...

Comment by Joe on May 17, 2012 at 2:30

The hate campaign in Pakistan against the Ahmadis reaches new heights - including attacks on children.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2012\05\03\story_3-5-2012_pg7_28

Comment by Alan Lake on May 15, 2012 at 13:38

Indonesian Muslim militia defends liberal and reformist Muslim author

http://www.peopleofshambhala.com/2012/05/indonesian-muslim-militia-...

Members of Banser militia, of the Indonesian Shi'ite Islamist organization Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), recently defended Canadian-American author and Muslim reformist Irshad Manji from attack. The organization has said that Muslim leaders need to "practice" the "spirit of tolerance," rather than just talking about it.
The NU has a complicated history. It was founded, in 1926, partly in response to the abolition of the Caliphate by Ataturk, and partly to unite Muslims against nationalism and communism. 


Wahid described the NU as being "like Shiite minus Imamah [the belief that certain imams should interpret the Islamic tradition and guide the community]; similarly Shiite is NU plus Imamah.” 
Indonesia is predominantly Sunni. As such, the NU represented a minority faith; and in recent years appears to have embraced the nation's minority faiths more broadly. 
AsiaNews.it reports that events spaces and attendees of Manji's talks were regularly attacked. "Only during a speech at the headquarters of the Free Journalist Alliance in South Jakarta, were there no assaults, thanks," Asianews.it says, "to the intervention of members of Banser, the paramilitary group of Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), the Shiite Muslim movement that defends the country's ethnic and religious minorities."

AsiaNews.it reports Aan Anshori, a member of the NU, as saying that the problem in Indonesia is that "the government is afraid of losing the support of Muslim fundamentalist groups," and, consequently, will not take steps against radical groups.  
"If we look at the attacks on Irshad Manji," he says, "they were radical Islamists. In the book [s]he speaks of freedom [Hurriyah], Justice [Adalah] and social equality [musawwa]. Ideas that these groups do not adhere to."

Kiai Hajj Husein Nuril Arifin, a Muslim leader of Semarang (Central Java province), also told AsiaNews.it, "True Islam supports the spirit of tolerance and love among human beings. With Christians, we believe in the same God The differences are in how we practice our faith: there is no reason to worry about those who exercise a faith different from ours. Muslim leaders should practice this spirit of tolerance, rather than just talk at seminars and conferences."
 
 
 

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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