The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation


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This room is for more relaxing interactions between members, which are not part of the threats to secular democracy.  So it could be general info, or interesting news, or new technology, or just something funny.

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Please follow these guidelines:

  • no talking about politics or Islam, not even a reminder word (like the Arabic word for war)
  • nothing serious, not even a lecture on democracy
  • just keep it fun!

Apart from getting burned out oneself, its important not to 'burn out' one's family or friends.  There are some rows in our movements, both between husband/wife and between parent/child. We all need to "switch off" completely sometimes, so that those near us don't get sick of our political diatribes and anger. At the end of the day, we're all human, so we should enjoy the journey along the way :-)

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The Universe and God

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The collapse of our free world

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Comment by Antony on December 29, 2017 at 13:42
Comment by Antony on December 28, 2017 at 11:50

Harvey Weinstein gets retribution in rock music video - we need more cultural fightback like this ! ; - I'll bet after years of promoting anti-white violence, Hollywood and the Rap music industry will be up in arms over this !

Comment by Antony on December 26, 2017 at 10:17
Comment by Alan Lake on December 24, 2017 at 15:27

Hi Tony!  Hope you're well.  Do you know anything more about this beating of a soldier in Bradford?

Comment by Tony Ashworth on December 24, 2017 at 10:49
Cheers for the heads up Al. Hope you're all well, not spoke for a bit.
Comment by Alan Lake on December 23, 2017 at 16:20

I want to recommebd a new internet browser you can use just for your political browsing. It is Yandex, from yandex.Com, and is available on Windows, MacOS, Android and iOS.

it is fully functional, with all the usual features. It is Russian, but I have no reason not to trust it. In addition, it has a secure mode which encrypts the network traffic. This is a godsend when you are somewhere like a hotel with unencrypted Wifi, and is especially important if you are logging in to 4F, with its pathetic lack of https support.

Comment by Antony on December 22, 2017 at 6:55
Comment by Antony on December 17, 2017 at 9:53
Comment by Antony on December 7, 2017 at 15:02
Comment by Alan Lake on December 6, 2017 at 11:37

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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