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This room is for more relaxing interactions between members, which are not part of the threats to secular democracy.  So it could be general info, or interesting news, or new technology, or just something funny.

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Please follow these guidelines:

  • no talking about politics or Islam, not even a reminder word (like the Arabic word for war)
  • nothing serious, not even a lecture on democracy
  • just keep it fun!

Apart from getting burned out oneself, its important not to 'burn out' one's family or friends.  There are some rows in our movements, both between husband/wife and between parent/child. We all need to "switch off" completely sometimes, so that those near us don't get sick of our political diatribes and anger. At the end of the day, we're all human, so we should enjoy the journey along the way :-)

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The US National Anthem

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 12, 2018. 5 Replies


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The financial case for Brexit

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The Universe and God

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The collapse of our free world

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Favourite puzzles and equations

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Comment by Alan Lake on November 23, 2018 at 6:06

'50,000 honey bees killed as yobs set hives ablaze'

God help us. Such mindless destruction is surely done by someone who's never worked a day in their life.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 20, 2018 at 19:34
Comment by Alan Lake on November 18, 2018 at 22:38

I guess they ferret out the rabbits, LOL

Comment by Alan Lake on November 18, 2018 at 22:37
Comment by Antony on November 16, 2018 at 6:51

Alan - no - it is a ferret (polecat), I kept them until recently, they are tame and handleable from a young age - dogs are used to them from being kept in a large hutch in the garden and know not to attack them - and regard them as a hunting partner as they scare out rabbits.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 16, 2018 at 0:14

Fantastic video. Is that an ermine stoat part way thru? The dogs pay no attention to it and just go for the rabbits.

Comment by Antony on November 14, 2018 at 10:09

Working Lurchers - the best dog in the world  ! ;

Comment by Antony on November 11, 2018 at 17:46
Comment by Alan Lake on November 8, 2018 at 4:57
So India now has a space program and the nuclear triad (bomber jet, ICBM, and submarine launced). Yet we are still giving them money while many Brits and ex-servicemen live in poverty.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday announced that the country's first nuclear ballistic missile submarine has completed its first deterrence patrol.

"Today is historic because it marks the completing of the successful establishment of the nuclear triad. India's nuclear triad will be an important pillar of global peace and stability," said Modi on Twitter.

Named INS Arihant, the submarine, which according to NDTV can target China, had been thirty years in the making and can "now be considered a fully functional underwater ballistic missile delivery platform".

"In an era such as this, a credible nuclear deterrence is the need of the hour," said the Indian premier. "The success of INS Arihant gives a fitting response to those who indulge in nuclear blackmail."

The newly launched submarine, NDTV adds, "completes India's nuclear triad by adding maritime strike capability to land and air-based delivery platforms" — a feat Pakistan had already achievedin 2017 with the launch of Babur-3 missile.

In March this year, Pakistan carried out another successful test of the nuclear-capable Submarine Launched Cruise Missile (SLCM) Babur and announced that it has attained ‘Credible Second Strike Capability’.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 8, 2018 at 4:53

Another bit of governmental craziness. Note how the DFID spokesperson lies and misdirects at the end:

Fury over UK's 'unjustifiable' £98m foreign aid injection for India

Tory MP David Davies says India does not "want or need" UK aid and that "in effect we are sponsoring an Indian moon launch".

11:04, UK,Monday 03 September 2018

The UK is to hand over £98m to India despite the country - which has spent almost the same on a lunar probe - now giving out more foreign aid than it receives.

As part of the UK's aid budget, the Department for International Development (DfID) will give £52m this year and a further £46m in 2019/20.

It comes despite India spending £95.4m on the lunar probe, Chandrayaan-2, which is set to launch in January.

Meanwhile, India gives away more in foreign aid than it receives - in 2015/16 it took in £254m but gave away £912m.

Tory MP David Davies said India did not "want or need" UK aid and that "in effect we are sponsoring an Indian moon launch"....

DfID told the Daily Express "traditional" aid to India had ended and that it was now working to deliver joint economic development priorities.

It also said the money sent to India would "help stimulate prosperity, generate jobs, develop skills and open up new markets for both countries".


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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