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A collection of information on Saudi Arabian intolerance and religious apartheid.

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more rape by saudis

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Antony Jan 20, 2016. 1 Reply

Lashes for 75 year old woman

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by paul collings Oct 13, 2015. 7 Replies

Papio Hamadryas

Started by shiva. Last reply by shiva Sep 21, 2012. 2 Replies

Saudi Arabia goes to the movies

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Herman Van Keer Jan 2, 2010. 4 Replies

Stewardess 'Banned from Taking Bible on Plane'

Started by OldWarDog. Last reply by Herman Van Keer Dec 19, 2009. 2 Replies

Saudi Intolerance of Infidels

Started by OldWarDog Dec 18, 2009. 0 Replies

Lashes and Jail for dancing

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Herman Van Keer Dec 16, 2009. 5 Replies

Hypocrisy - Switzerland

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by OldWarDog Dec 15, 2009. 3 Replies

Convert burned alive

Started by Herman Van Keer Dec 15, 2009. 0 Replies

Saudis Lecture Swiss on Tolerance

Started by John Carlson Dec 14, 2009. 0 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on Saturday

"UN places Saudi Arabia on commission for empowerment of women"

Comment by Alan Lake on January 5, 2017 at 23:34

Saudi man jailed, fined $8k after calling for end to strict male control over women

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 22, 2016 at 16:50

It's not worth commenting as to them it is normal Muslim behaviour to exterminate people that are not considered to be good Muslims.

Only a bus full of Israelis getting blown up is good news to the Islamic Bloc

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 5, 2016 at 17:45

Medina bombing is an assault on Islam itself

What a load of absolute drivel. These bombings are Islam and Mohammed would have approved. Muslims that are not true muslims must be killed according to his commandments.

Comment by Alan Lake on June 27, 2016 at 14:43

ISIS-linked Saudi Arabian twins kill own mother over her opposition to terror group

Comment by Alan Lake on April 16, 2016 at 16:41

Saudi Arabia wants US to kill 9/11 bill, threatens to dump US assets worth $750 bn - report

Comment by Alan Lake on April 9, 2016 at 18:31
Comment by Alan Lake on February 9, 2016 at 20:54

Saudi Arabia’s “religious police” arrest doll mascot for breaching Sharia Law

Comment by Alan Lake on February 3, 2016 at 16:11

Yes Paul, it is comical.

I notice as well that the MC-BBC is generally pro Iran, when its an inter-Muslim issue. I dont think thats because its the Shia Muslims influencing the narrative.  I suspect that its the slimy yellow kuffar that work there. Their general principle seems to be, to side with the most thuggish, dangerous side. That way, they do not have to expose their deep cowardice, and its also safer for them in the long run.  

Iran is currently the most dangerous functioning Muslim nation state out there, and also a massive sponsor of terrorism.  So it makes more sense for the British Broadcasting Cowards to side with them against Saudi Arabia, which is not an insurgency sponsor in Iran or Afghanistan, nor does it have any nuclear program. 

Similarly, neither the IDF nor Mossad will kidnap and torture a BBC journalist to death for crossing the line or writing a negative article about them - but Hamas and Hezbullah would; so it makes sense for the BBC to support their cause too.

We have a whole generation of cowards, and cowards futhermore who mask their weakness and fear by trying to suggest that the worst thugs and killers, are actually the underdogs, in need of BBC support.

Comment by paul collings on February 3, 2016 at 7:34

In this BBC episode of hard talk the presenter explains  Islam to a Maj General from Saudi Arabia.  (The British Bukhari corporation).


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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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