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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"I understood it right away as how you explained... but nevertheless. it never hurts…"

Herman Van Keer replied Jan 2, 2010 to Saudi Arabia goes to the movies

4 Jan 2, 2010
Reply by Herman Van Keer

"Just looking for the 750 lashes for the 'freedom' in saudi arabia: another gruesome…"

Herman Van Keer replied Dec 19, 2009 to Stewardess 'Banned from Taking Bible on Plane'

2 Dec 19, 2009
Reply by Herman Van Keer

""Nevertheless, on a recent visit to Princeton University, Saudi Prince Turki al-Fais…"

Herman Van Keer replied Dec 19, 2009 to Stewardess 'Banned from Taking Bible on Plane'

2 Dec 19, 2009
Reply by Herman Van Keer

"Yep for sure... didn't I leave one - did I miss it again? Anyway: here it is: http:…"

Herman Van Keer replied Dec 16, 2009 to Lashes for 75 year old woman

7 Oct 13, 2015
Reply by paul collings

"The media, education and politics in Europe and the States as well as Canada have A…"

Herman Van Keer replied Dec 16, 2009 to Lashes and Jail for dancing

5 Dec 16, 2009
Reply by Herman Van Keer

"And I just found them by coincidence.... here is another one: http://edition.cnn.co…"

Herman Van Keer replied Dec 16, 2009 to Saudi police 'stopped' fire rescue - 15 girls died in the fire on Monday.

7 Apr 8, 2010
Reply by OldWarDog

"I know... and the more you dig into it, the more disgusting things you find... Ever…"

Herman Van Keer replied Dec 16, 2009 to Lashes for 75 year old woman

7 Oct 13, 2015
Reply by paul collings

"Here is the link: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/09/saudi.arabia.lashes/"

Herman Van Keer replied Dec 16, 2009 to Lashes for 75 year old woman

7 Oct 13, 2015
Reply by paul collings

"And then the URL disappears: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/ And now I see wh…"

Herman Van Keer replied Dec 16, 2009 to Lashes and Jail for dancing

5 Dec 16, 2009
Reply by Herman Van Keer

"Nope... and I say the missing URL as well.... But all very silent, isn't it? In the…"

Herman Van Keer replied Dec 16, 2009 to Lashes and Jail for dancing

5 Dec 16, 2009
Reply by Herman Van Keer

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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