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<p style="text-align: center;">“ THEY SHALL BECOME MONKEYS..”</p>
<div class="column"><p><span>The Quran says the following about some people who have really earned God’ s anger. I believe this verse refers muslims, The Quran says :</span></p>
<p><span> Surah 5.60 Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made monkeys and pigs, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in…</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">“ THEY SHALL BECOME MONKEYS..”</p>
<div class="column"><p><span>The Quran says the following about some people who have really earned God’ s anger. I believe this verse refers muslims, The Quran says :</span></p>
<p><span> Surah 5.60 Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made monkeys and pigs, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.</span></p>
<p><span>By their appearance the Arab ulema and also the Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah prefer to be unshaven and grow their beards long. It does give them the appearance of the hairy apes or monkeys.</span></p>
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<p><span>But it does not stop there. By their own admission the muslims also claim to follow the monkeys. They believe that the punishment for adultery is stoning people to death. This false teaching is not found in the Quran. It is stolen from the Christian Bible. But they will not admit that they have stolen these ideas from the Christian Bible. Instead they say they got the idea to stone people from the monkeys. By their own confession they fall into the punishment God has promised them – they confess that they are indeed followers of monkeys. Here is the evidence from their own Bukhari hadith.</span></p>
<p><span>Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188: Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:</span></p>
<p><span>During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal </span>sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.</p>
<p><span>This is the basis of the islamic belief of stoning people to death for adultery. They learnt it from the monkeys. Hence </span></p>
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<div class="column"><p><span>Surah 5.60 Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made monkeys and pigs, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.</span></p>
<p><span>God has indeed made the Ahlul Sunnah into monkeys. Their Sharia Law of stoning adulterers to death is copied from the monkeys.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>Polygamy</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>The Arabs Learned It From The Monkeys Too !</strong></p>
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<p><span>Then the ulema make lawful polygamy ie they say that men can marry four wives. This is actually making lawful the old pagan Arab culture of maintaining harems full of slave women for their pleasure. By saying that Islam allows polygamy, they are legalizing the prostitution of the harems.</span></p>
<p><span>Here too the muslims particularly the Arabs may have learnt this polygamous harem behaviour from the monkeys. The Arabian Peninsula, Yemen, Ethiopia and Somalia are home to the Hamadryas Baboon. These baboons have lived in arid sub-desert and savannah woodlands of these countries for a long time.</span></p>
<p><span>Just like the Arabs the Hamadryas baboons live in a very harsh environment with extreme temperatures, both hot and cold. What is interesting is that Hamadryas baboons are very social and have a four-level social structure. The male baboons maintain harems where a group of up to 10 females can be dominated by an adult male. These baboons that live in and around Arabia are the only known baboons that maintain harems.</span></p>
<p><span>Two or more such harems of Hamadryas baboons make up a clan, with single male followers. A band of Hamadryas Baboons is made up of several such clans.</span></p>
<p><span>And when several clans of Baboons band together it is called a troupe.</span></p>
<p><span>This is not unlike the polygamous harems maintained by the Arabs. There is no basis in the Quran for polygamy. It is most likely that the Arabs who claim to learn from monkeys how to stone adulterers to death have also learned polygamy from the Hamadryas Baboons. Indeed God has made them into monkeys. </span></p>
</div> 23% children raped; between 1/4 and 1/2 of students indulge in homosexualitytag:4freedoms.com,2012-05-10:3766518:Topic:1013152012-05-10T15:29:16.783ZTha Grenadierhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/ThaGrenadier
<p><span><a href="http://www.translatingjihad.com/2012/02/saudi-study-nearly-quarter-of-children.html">http://www.translatingjihad.com/2012/02/saudi-study-nearly-quarter-of-children.html</a></span></p>
<p><span>Video translated from clip posted on YouTube in December 2008. Clip originally aired on the Arabic-language satellite station 'al-Hurra', on the program 'Misawa'. Subtitled video is above, full transcript below (thanks to Nonie Darwish for finding the…</span></p>
<p><span><a href="http://www.translatingjihad.com/2012/02/saudi-study-nearly-quarter-of-children.html">http://www.translatingjihad.com/2012/02/saudi-study-nearly-quarter-of-children.html</a></span></p>
<p><span>Video translated from clip posted on YouTube in December 2008. Clip originally aired on the Arabic-language satellite station 'al-Hurra', on the program 'Misawa'. Subtitled video is above, full transcript below (thanks to Nonie Darwish for finding the video):</span></p>
<div><blockquote>Guest - More than 23% of children in Saudi society have been raped. </blockquote>
<blockquote>Host – So about a quarter of Saudi children have been-- </blockquote>
<blockquote>Guest - About a quarter of Saudi children have been raped. Sixty-two percent of those people— </blockquote>
<blockquote>Host – Those children. </blockquote>
<blockquote>Guest - No, I’m sorry, the study was directed at university students. Twenty-three percent had been raped during their childhood. For 62% of those, the rape was never reported. This was because it was one of the victim’s relatives. In the study, it was mentioned that more than 16% of the rapists were relatives, specifically 5% were siblings, 2% were teachers, and 1% were parents. In another study, which was conducted by Dr. In’am (al-Rabu’i), who is the president of children’s studies at the Armed Forces Hospital in Jeddah, she mentioned, or warned, that in the coming years we will suffer as a society from extremely widespread cases of homosexuality. The reason for this is the increase in the cases of sexual assault of children (brought) to the hospital, as well as the societal violence inflicted on children. She also mentioned that the hospital had on average three sexual assault cases per week. </blockquote>
<blockquote>Host – How large of an area did the study cover? </blockquote>
<blockquote>Guest - I don’t know, this is just what she mentioned on behalf of the Saudi nation. It was published on behalf of the nation, and can be considered very reliable. In addition to that, there is a study from the Office of Societal Supervision, which is also very serious. This study reported that 46% of students in the city of Riyadh suffer from homosexuality. Twenty-five percent of students in Jeddah suffer from homosexuality. We must be aware of this in order to combat these numbers quickly. The society has become fragmented. When we have a percentage of students—children or teenagers—who are gay, this is a catastrophe, a true catastrophe. I mean, we don’t have a strong society. We should really look at this more seriously. </blockquote>
<blockquote>Host – This is a new thing in Saudi Arabia for newspapers to write articles on this subject. The studies which you mentioned, are they saying this is something new? </blockquote>
<blockquote>Guest - No, it’s not new.</blockquote>
</div> Saudi Arabia: Morals police arrest Colombian soccer player for having tattoo of Jesus on his armtag:4freedoms.com,2011-10-15:3766518:Topic:847882011-10-15T06:01:44.237ZTha Grenadierhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/ThaGrenadier
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<p><br></br>In Muslim countries, non-Muslims must respect Islamic law. In non-Muslim countries, non-Muslims must respect Islamic law. Got it?…</p>
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<p><br/>In Muslim countries, non-Muslims must respect Islamic law. In non-Muslim countries, non-Muslims must respect Islamic law. Got it? Sharia Alert from the Kingdom of the Two Holy Places, and an update on <a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/saudi-religious-police-demand-soccer-players-cover-tattoos----particularly-christian-drawings.html" target="_blank">this story</a>: "Saudi Arabia arrests Colombian soccer player over religious tattoos," by Tim Hinchliffe for<a href="http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/sports/19579-colombian-footballer-arrested-in-saudi-arabia-over-religious-tattoos.html" target="_blank">Colombia Reports</a>, October 11:</p>
<blockquote>A Colombian soccer player was arrested in Saudi Arabia Monday for displaying religious tattoos.<p>Colombian-born Juan Pablo Pino was arrested by the Saudi moral police after customers in a Riyadh shopping mall expressed outrage over the sports player's religious tattoos, which included the face of Jesus of Nazareth on his arm.</p>
<p>Saudi Arabia is one of the most conservative countries in the Muslim world, and according to one of the country's most respected clerics, Nayimi Sheik Mohammed, Saudi law prohibits tattoos, no matter what their form, and every player has to abide with these rules.</p>
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<p>Memo to Colombia Reports: "conservatives" don't generally arrest people for having tattoos of Jesus on their arms.</p>
<blockquote>The cleric went on to stress the importance of <strong>respecting</strong> the status of "Sharia" (Islamic law) and that the tattoos must be covered at all times.<p>Pino, who plays in the Saudi league, has expressed "deep sorrow" for his actions and said he <strong>respects</strong> the laws of the country. He was released from custody when a team delegate arrived and discussed the matter with the police.</p>
<p>A similar event occurred in Saudi Arabia last year when a Romanian player kissed the tattoo of a cross he had on his arm after scoring a goal, which also caused public <strong>outrage</strong>.</p>
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</div> Islamic Racism [and severe Discrimination against Women] in Marriage(s)tag:4freedoms.com,2011-04-22:3766518:Topic:520042011-04-22T12:21:58.649ZTha Grenadierhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/ThaGrenadier
<h1>Local press - facilitate marriage of Saudi women to non-Saudis</h1>
<div class="col1"><p class="author">By <strong>AMAL ZAHID | AL-WATAN</strong></p>
<p class="dateline"><strong>Published:</strong> Mar 15, 2010 00:33 <strong>Updated:</strong> Mar 15, 2010 00:33</p>
<p class="dateline"><a href="http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article30078.ece" target="_blank">Source</a></p>
<p><strong>Why did we make polygamy a solution to the problem of spinsterhood and not the facilitation of marriages of…</strong></p>
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<h1>Local press - facilitate marriage of Saudi women to non-Saudis</h1>
<div class="col1"><p class="author">By <strong>AMAL ZAHID | AL-WATAN</strong></p>
<p class="dateline"><strong>Published:</strong> Mar 15, 2010 00:33 <strong>Updated:</strong> Mar 15, 2010 00:33</p>
<p class="dateline"><a target="_blank" href="http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article30078.ece">Source</a></p>
<p><strong>Why did we make polygamy a solution to the problem of spinsterhood and not the facilitation of marriages of Saudi women to non-Saudi men whether they are Muslim Arabs or non-Arab Muslims? Why is it that some of our men flex their muscles and ask women to accept polygamy and not to object to being a second wife? Why do they enter into doubtful marriage unions of misyar and misfar while turning a blind eye to the marriages that are legitimate and not forbidden by religion?</strong></p>
<div class="body"><p>Paradoxically, these people bend religion to suit their personal whims. Some men will pretend to follow the directives of religion when it comes to polygamy and underage marriage while completely ignoring the teachings of Islam when it comes to a Saudi woman marrying a Muslim foreigner! The irony is that these people are very well aware that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) asked Muslims not to refuse to marry their women to Muslim men with good manners.</p>
<p>The Prophet (pbuh) made piety and good manners the parameter of preferences among Muslims, but the rotten teachings of racism and the laws of tribalism do not bother with Islam or its teachings when it comes to women! The universe will crumble if a Saudi woman dares to think of marrying a man from another nationality, but a Saudi man can marry up to four women regardless of nationality. His parents will not care about the background of his wife and will not be concerned about her personal qualifications or her respect to the norms and traditions.</p>
<p>Hell will break loose if a Saudi woman considers marrying a Muslim foreigner who is religious and good mannered. The male members of the family will try their best to foil this marriage. They will use the woman as an element of tribal fanaticism.</p>
<p>If the Saudi woman is able to overcome all hurdles to obtain government permission to marry a foreigner, her new husband will not easily obtain a residence permit. Her children from the non-Saudi man will never obtain Saudi citizenship. Therefore if the family has mercy on her and approves her marriage to a foreigner, government regulations will take a toll on her through red tape and complications. The Saudi woman who marries a non-Saudi man will be looked down upon while the non-Saudi wife will easily obtain a residence permit the moment the marriage contract is made; the doors for obtaining Saudi citizenship will be open to her. The husband will have no problem getting the state to recognize his children as Saudi citizens and embracing them even if they were born in the Comoros!</p>
<p>Arab News reporter, Hassna’a Mokhtar wrote a painful article, bidding farewell to her country while migrating to Canada to join her Arab-Canadian husband. She had to leave her home country after bureaucracy stood firmly in her face. Her husband was twice deported from the country because his Iqama (residency permit) expired and she was unable to renew it for him. She went through humiliations because she married a non-Saudi. There was nothing for her to do but leave her country after all doors were closed for her and her husband.</p>
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<div class="topText">Accompanied by her father, Hassna'a Mokhtar went to the Saudi Arabian interior ministry in Jeddah to sign papers for a marriage licence. She was hoping to get a sense of how long it would take to get permission, so that she could plan her wedding. But that was not the case. A Saudi woman falling in love with a non-Saudi Muslim leads to more obstacles than a <a href="http://www.altmuslimah.com/a?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCharacters_in_Romeo_and_Juliet">Capulet falling in love with a Montague</a>. In most parts of society, a father can decline a suitor simply because he is not a Saudi.</div>
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</div> Living in Secret in Saudi Arabiatag:4freedoms.com,2011-04-06:3766518:Topic:488802011-04-06T10:09:20.220ZTha Grenadierhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/ThaGrenadier
<p><strong>'Some years ago in the American school, a Santa Claus was almost arrested but he managed to escape through a window. It is prohibited.'</strong></p>
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<p><strong>'Some years ago in the American school, a Santa Claus was almost arrested but he managed to escape through a window. It is prohibited.'</strong></p>
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<p>ROME, APRIL 4, 2011 (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.zenit.org/"><font color="#011287">Zenit.org</font></a>).- Saudi Arabia is considered holy ground by the Muslim majority who live there. Hence, Christians and even Muslims of other sects, face severe restrictions.</p>
<p>Christians make up only about 3% of the population, but they have no churches and never display their faith in public.</p>
<p>Professor Camille Eid, a journalist, author, professor at the University of Milan and expert on the Churches of the Middle East, spoke about the Saudi Arabia situation with the television program "Where God Weeps" of the Catholic Radio and Television Network (CRTN) in cooperation with Aid to the Church in Need.</p>
<p>Q: Saudi Arabia is a hereditary monarchy based on the foundation of Wahhabi Islam. What is this branch of Islam?</p>
<p>Eid: Wahhabism is a new doctrine of Islam. Its founder is Abd-al Wahhab, who was a religious scholar of Hanafi Islam, which is the strictest doctrine of Islam. He decided that all innovations -- "Bida" is the term in Arabic -- in Islam should be eliminated. A visit to a cemetery for instance is considered a bida-innovation and is prohibited. You cannot do anything that the Prophet Mohammed and his companions did not do. So the alliance between the followers of Wahhabi and the prince of Najd in central Arabia created the birth of this Saudi Arabian kingdom. Saudi Arabia takes its name from the Saud family. This house of Saud alliance with the Wahhabi sect is still true today and the successors of the kingdom follow this strict instruction and doctrine of Wahhabism; the laws of the kingdom follow the strict guidelines of Wahhabism. </p>
<p>Q: What about the Shia? </p>
<p>Eid: The Shia make up almost 10% of the population and they face much discrimination. They are concentrated mainly in the eastern part of the kingdom. There is another sect of the Shia, the Ismaili, and they are very near the Yemeni border. The kingdom and its leadership subscribe to Wahhabism. </p>
<p>Q: The Quran is Saudi Arabia’s constitution. What position does the Quran or this constitution take toward non-Muslims? </p>
<p>Eid: The Quran distinguishes between Christians and Jews, and other unbelievers. Christians and Jews are called the “People of the Book,” or the books if you want -- the Gospel and the Torah. Sometimes in the Quran, Christians are described in a very positive way. The Christian monarch and priests pray. But, during the second period in the Prophet’s revelation, Christians are described as unbelievers and [it's said they] should pay the "Jizya," the tax necessary to be protected in an Islamic society. There seems to be a contradiction in the book itself. That is why we have a liberal and a violent Islam. The violent Islam is a result of the second revelation that occurred during the last reign of Mohammed and as a result the current Islamic societies state that the events of the second revelation should be followed and not the previous revelations, which are more tolerant. </p>
<p>Q: The government is built on the principles of Sharia. What is Sharia? </p>
<p>Eid: Sharia is the summa of the Quran, the Hadith, which are the statements of Mohammed, and other sources such as the Ishma, which is the consensus of all Islamic scholars (Ulema). Sharia Law is taken from all these. </p>
<p>Q: All residents who live in Saudi Arabia are subjected to the law of Sharia? </p>
<p>Eid: All residents are subjected to this law and you cannot object because it is tantamount to objecting to Islam. Upon arrival at the airport you are informed immediately that you are to abide by the strict Islamic laws. I as a Christian, for instance, had a Pepsi in my hand during Ramadan. I noticed that everybody was looking at me in a certain way and they could have beaten me. You cannot eat outside or in public during the fast. You can only eat in secret. So you have to observe the fast even if you are not Muslim because that is the law. </p>
<p>Q: Christians constitute the biggest non-Muslim group in Saudi Arabia. How do Christians live their faith in Saudi Arabia? </p>
<p>Eid: In secret. It is forbidden to have Bibles, religious images and rosaries; if they are detected at the airport they are immediately confiscated. There was an instance when I was at the Jeddah Airport with a videocassette and they asked to view this cassette. The video was about Spartacus. I was suddenly fearful that they would see the image of the crucifixion. The guard eventually allowed it because it was a soldier being crucified and not Jesus Christ. ... It is hard. They say that Christians can pray privately but what does private mean? Does it mean alone or with your family? When more than two, or a group of families, are praying together in the privacy of their home the religious police can come in and intervene and arrest them. </p>
<p>Q: What happens to the Christian that is caught with a rosary in their pocket or wearing a cross? </p>
<p>Eid: If it is in a pocket nobody can see it. If, however you are seen wearing a cross, any Muslim -- and not just the police -- can take it away. You will be arrested and risk expulsion from the kingdom. They will haul you to prison and after a few days you will be issued an exit visa. It will be over for you.</p>
<p>Q: What other kind of Christian activities are punishable by law? </p>
<p>Eid: All public manifestation of any faith other than Islam is punishable. They do know that the Americans, French and Italians celebrate the Mass for Christmas and Easter inside the embassies but because the embassy is extra-territorial, the law does not apply. The police, however, are around to monitor. There are no churches, synagogues or temples in the kingdom. All manifestations of other faiths are prohibited. </p>
<p>Q: Who enforces the law? </p>
<p>Eid: You have 5,000 religious police divided among 100 districts, but any Muslim can enforce the law by denouncing the individual. I spent two and half years in Jeddah; I was afraid to extend the Easter and Christmas greetings even via phone because I was afraid that someone might be listening. The religious police control everything including the bookshops because it is prohibited to sell any card with non-Muslim themes. Some years ago in the American school, a Santa Claus was almost arrested but he managed to escape through a window. It is prohibited. </p>
<p>Q: Are Christians a particular target of persecution or discrimination? </p>
<p>Eid: Not just Christians but the non-Wahhabi versions of Islam such as the Shia or Ismaili. Not all Christian communities suffer equally. American, Italian, French and British -- in fact most Europeans and other First World countries -- suffer less because they know that these countries are powerful and will intervene immediately to protect their citizens. So they target the Christians of the Third World like Eritrea, India and the Philippines. These countries fear the loss of revenue from their citizens living in the kingdom. So they target the Christians of these weaker Third World countries. </p>
<p>Q: It has been said that Filipino maids have been accused of communicating the faith to the children of the wealthy Saudis that employ them. Do you know anything about this? </p>
<p>Eid: The Islamic catechism talks about the risk of communicating faith. The Saudi version states: “When you go abroad you should not develop a relationship or friendship with your professors because you should remember that they are infidels." This criterion also applies to the Filipino women in Saudi Arabia. Any communication can only occur by testimony not by words. </p>
<p>Q: Only through witness?</p>
<p>Eid: Only through witness and that is why they have suggested substituting Filipinos, or Christian women in general, with Egyptian, Moroccan or Algerian women so that they cannot communicate the faith to the children.</p>
<p>Q: We have talked about discrimination. We have talked about persecution. How far can this persecution go? </p>
<p>Eid: To death. We have a case of the martyrdom of a Saudi girl who converted to Christianity. Her brother discovered her. She wrote a poem to Christ and she had her tongue cut, she disappeared and was later found dead. Her name was Fatima Al-Mutairi and this happened in August of 2008. In 2008 two cases of raids by the religious police saw men, women and children less than 3 years old arrested. We have many reports of torture; before they are deported to their country these Filipinos, Indians and Eritreans are tortured by the police in the prisons. </p>
<p>Q: You mentioned the case of Fatima who converted to Christianity. What is the number of Muslims converting? Do you have any information or is it impossible to know? </p>
<p>Eid: It is not possible. Saudi society is difficult to penetrate because the regime monitors every activity. Sometimes you notice this from the women’s perspective. When these Saudi women go abroad, even upon entry in the airplane, they remove the hijab. In Lebanon and other countries they drink alcohol. When they return to their country they know that that have to abide by the laws. </p>
<p>Q: … and converts?</p>
<p>Eid: Christian converts do exist. I follow the Arabic media channels, which broadcast to Saudi Arabia and the whole Arab world, and during the transmission many calls originate from Saudi Arabia. Those converts who travel to Morocco and Egypt talk about their experience but do not mention their names and request only that the Christian community pray for them because they desire to see the day when they will be allowed to go to a church, to be able to have access to the Gospels and to be able to share their new faith with their own family. If a convert informs his/her brother or father of his/her new faith, he or she faces the danger of being charged with treason by the family; a treason not only of one’s family but also to the nation and society in general. Apostasy is a question of honor and as such it is considered treason. </p>
<p>Q: Professor Samir Khalil Samir, an Egyptian Quran scholar, stated that within the Quran, there is no obligation to kill an apostate. Where does this expression of violence come from? </p>
<p>Eid: Exactly. In the 14th [book] of the Quran there is talk about apostasy but there is no talk of a penalty in this life but rather in the second life. This change comes from the Hadith of Mohammed in which he said that whomever changes religion should be killed. But a problem again arises from this, because with the thousands of Hadith, there is no proof that Mohammed actually said this. Many Islamic countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan under the Taliban, Iran and Yemen, and so on, apply the death penalty based on a Hadith that can't be a hundred percent proven that it is from Mohammed. </p>
<p>Q: Can you tell us a little bit about the lay Catholics living in Saudi Arabia? </p>
<p>Eid: It is hard to be a lay Catholic in Saudi Arabia because you have to have a very deep background in your faith. You cannot have copies of the Gospel in your home. You cannot have a rosary. You cannot have contact with your Christian friends as a community; you can have Christian friends, you can frequent the foreign communities but you are prohibited from talking about your faith. So the only possibility is to have a strong awareness and knowledge of your faith that you can bank on in this environment. </p>
<p>In other Islamic countries Friday is a holiday so Mass as a community [is allowed], but not on Sunday because Sunday is considered a working day; but even this is not the case in Saudi Arabia. So you are a community by yourself. Usually you do not even have your own family because Saudi Arabia has restrictions on family reunification. If you have a daughter who is more than 18 years of age, she cannot stay in Saudi Arabia if she is not married. So most have their families somewhere else. So you are alone and with no contact to other Catholics, which is very hard, and so you have to have the strength of faith in your heart; to be able to pray with out the prayer books, to just know and pray the prayers you have learned by heart from your childhood. </p>
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<p>This interview was conducted by Mark Riedemann for “Where God Weeps," a weekly TV & radio show produced by Catholic Radio & Television Network in conjunction with the international Catholic charity Aid to the Church in Need.</p>
</div> De l'Excision à la Traite d'Esclaves blanches en Arabie Sauditetag:4freedoms.com,2010-12-29:3766518:Topic:329922010-12-29T17:58:12.000ZTha Grenadierhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/ThaGrenadier
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<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4KZ9Fls_2Q8/RcQSeW3Yc9I/AAAAAAAAAA0/nfFNSgx9Iyk/s1600-h/Lecomte+du+Nouy+L%27esclave+blanche.jpg"><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4KZ9Fls_2Q8/RcQSeW3Yc9I/AAAAAAAAAA0/nfFNSgx9Iyk/s200/Lecomte+du+Nouy+L%27esclave+blanche.jpg" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5027163396795560914" style="margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; float: left; cursor: hand;" name="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5027163396795560914"/></a><br/><a href="http://www.ampbreia.com/ampbreia2_054.htm"><strong><font color="#375267">Discussion avec une femme-médecin</font></strong></a> :<br/><br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : J'exerce des activités médicales à Jizan, en Arabie Saoudite, où je pratique l'excision des femmes. Je suis Egyptienne et passe toujours beaucoup de temps dans mon pays, mais davantage dans ma clinique au royaume saoudien. Mon mari voyage avec moi. L'excision des femmes est <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fgm_map.gif"><strong><font color="#375267">très répandue en Egypte</font></strong></a> et se propage maintenant dans le royaume à partir de la région de Tihama (sud-ouest de la péninsule arabique). Les habitants de la région l'ont pratiquée depuis des années et la police religieuse saoudienne encourage son essor dans tout le pays.<br/><br/>RZ : Pourquoi vous être installée là-bas si l'excision y est déjà bien implantée ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : J'ai été recrutée dans mon pays d'origine, en Egypte, par la police religieuse, car l'excision des jeunes ne peut être pratiquée que par des femmes et peu de femmes médecins au Royaume saoudien avaient l'expérience nécéssaire.<br/><br/>RZ : La police religieuse ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Oui, il s'agit de la nouvelle police religieuse. Quand la prostitution ou l'adultère étaient autrefois punis par lapidation, aujourd'hui on pratique simplement l'excision ou l'infibulation des fautives. On les amène à ma clinique et y restent un jour ou deux. Je forme également des infirmières pour la police religieuse, afin de pratiquer l'excision. Après leur période de formation, elles sont envoyées dans les hôpitaux pour femmes du royaume.<br/>La clitoridectomie n'est pas une chose difficile à apprendre pour une infirmière.<br/>La police religieuse pense que l'excision des femmes a de nombreux avantages. Elle « calme » les femmes, rend impossible le lesbianisme, décourage l'adultère et la prostitution. Elle amène les femmes à se concentrer sur leur rôle d'épouse et de mère.<br/><br/>RZ : Je pensais l'excision limitée en Arabie Saoudite.<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : C'était le cas pour la majeure partie du territoire, mais cette pratique a toujours été présente le long de la Mer Rouge et de la frontière avec le Yémen. Ces dernières années, elle s'est répandue dans tout le royaume. L'Occident ne peut pas le savoir comme les problèmes féminins et les femmes elles-mêmes sont tenus à l'abris des regards. Les étrangères qui sont amenées dans les harems sont tenues à l'écart. Avec les mesures de sécurité modernes, il y a peu de chances pour qu'une fois rentrées quiconque entende reparler d'elles. Même si elles parvenaient à s'échapper du harem, il serait tout sauf possible de quitter l'Arabie Saoudite. La police religieuse les rameneraient à leur maître. Maintenant je dirais qu'au moins 25 % de toutes les femmes en Arabie Saoudite sont excisées. La pratique est de plus en plus populaire et avec un nombre croissant de femmes entraînées d'ici une génération toutes les femmes qui ont accouché d'une fille leur feront enlever l'extrémité du clitoris.<br/><br/>RZ : A quoi ressemble votre clinique ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Un équipement dernier cri et un personnel 100 % féminin puisqu'il s'agit de l'affaire des femmes. Mon mari s'occupe des tâches administratives et des clients hommes mais il n'est pas autorisé au sein du secteur médicalisé. Le bâtiment n'a aucune fenêtre mais il y a l'air conditionné, ce qui est très apprècié avec le climat chaud et humide de Jizan. Par mesure de sécurité il n'y a qu'une entrée, une porte de garage électrique. Lorsqu'une patiente arrive, la voiture ou le van entre dans le garage après avoir entré un code de sécurité dans un boîtier électronique. La porte intérieure du garage n'ouvre pas tant que celle qui donne sur l'extérieur n'est pas refermée. La plupart de mes douze employées vivent sur place, tout comme les infirmières. Il y a des cuisines au sein du bâtiment ainsi que 36 chambres pour les patientes et trois salles d'opération. Tout ce dont nous avons besoin sous un seul toit.<br/><br/>RZ : A quoi ressemblent les chambres des patientes ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Elles sont très spartiates : un petit coin douche et toilettes, un lit, pas de fenêtre, pas de poignée de porte côté intérieur - rappellez-vous que certaines de nos patientes sont sous surveillance de la police religieuse; ils seraient très en colère si nous perdions leur captive. Chaque chambre est sous surveillance vidéo centralisée vers un poste de contrôle vidéo.<br/><br/>RZ : A quoi ressemblent les salles d'opération ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Les sols, plafonds et murs sont blancs. Tout est immaculé, très brillant et bien éclairé. Il y a plusieurs sortes d'équipements médicaux et de matériel. Et bien sûr, la table d'opération.<br/><br/>RZ : A quoi ressemblent les tables d'opération ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Encore une fois, elles sont dernier cri. Il est très important que la patiente ne bouge pas durant l'opération et ma table est prévue pour cela. La structure est en acier inoxydable et le revêtement est en cuir noir. Inutilisée, elle ressemble plus à une chaise-longue. La patiente est amenée en blouse blanche dans la salle d'opération puis est assise. Une fois assise mon assistance attache la patiente à la chaise avec des lanières au dessus et au dessous des genoux et également aux pieds. De larges bandes de cuir au dessus du ventre et sous la poitrine. Une autre ceinture au niveau du bas ventre. Les poignets sont placés dans des menottes en cuir contre la chaise au même niveau que les épaules. Ensuite la chaise est basculée et les jambes sont écartées comme pour la chaise gynécologique classique. Il y a des articulations en métal sous les genoux. La patiente se retrouve la tête en bas et les jambes écartées. L'activation de la chaise ressere tous les liens efficacement. Elle se trouve alors totalement immobilisée. Une fois la chose sécurisée, nous rasons les poils pubiens, la zone est nettoyée au savon, puis nous traitons la zone entière avec un antiseptique. A ce stade, elle est prête à être excisée. Si cela est permis par les autorités, je prend une seringue et anesthésié les nerfs autour reliés au clitoris. Je commence à envoyer des injections de manière radiale. Enfin je donne une injection sous le clitoris dans le nerf principal. La plupart du temps, elles seront tendues et gémiront un peu à ce moment car le nerf est maintenant anesthésié.<br/><br/>RZ : Et pourquoi pas un baillon ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Non, je n'en vois pas l'utilité, puisque nous ne nous préoccupons pas de ce que la patiente peut dire. Si elle est opérée sur ordre de la police religieuse, alors une de mes infirmières place une compresse en caoutchouc dans la bouche de la patiente et la maintenir en place. Une lanière est également placée et serrée autour du front. Cela lui donne quelquechose à mordre pendant qu'elle est opérée. La police religieuse ne nous a pas autorisés à utiliser d'analgésiques. Pour les autres patientes, je pratique des injections locales et elles ne ressentent rien. La plupart vont sur la table sans difficultés, mais pour certaines, nous devons les amener de force, se débattant et hurlant.<br/><br/>Quelques jeunes mariées sont amenées ici et nous retirons simplement l'extrémité du clitoris. C'est plutôt anodin mais très efficace pour contrôler le comportement des femmes. J'ai aussi une demande grandissante de la part de la classe dirigeante. Au royaume, les hommes peuvent avoir jusqu'à quatre femmes et beaucoup de concubines. Certains princes ont beaucoup plus de quatre femmes. Nous avons beaucoup de clients fortunés qui ont des palaces où leurs femmes sont gardées à l'abris des convoitises. Il est devenu à la mode pour un homme riche de faire exciser ses femmes. Cela ravit également les leaders religieux de savoir que beaucoup de ces femmes sont excisées et leur sexualité contrôlée. Beaucoup de clercs musulmans pensent que le rôle de la femme est d'amener du plaisir à son mari et de porter ses enfants, sans recevoir de plaisir elle-même, surtout s'il s'agit d'infidèles.<br/><br/>RZ : Des infidèles ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Oui, d'endroits très variés, comme les Balkans, la Russie, la Grèce, la France, l'Irlande et la plupart de l'Europe, quelques unes d'Amérique et d'autres pays. La Scandinavie est très populaire. Jeunes, jolies et stupides... Beaucoup d'étudiantes. Elles sont faciles à obtenir. Certains riches partent en "tournée de chasse", comme ils disent. Ils séduisent une proie qu'ils ont repérée et la ramène avec eux au Royaume où elle disparait totalement dans un harem et personne n'entend jamais plus parler d'elle. De nombreux princes plus âgés emploieront un recruteur pour lui dénicher les meilleures candidates. Une fois ici, elle est délivrée au vieil homme qui fera d'elle ce que bon lui semble. Certains recruteurs m'amènent les candidates ici pour y être excisées afin de les calmer avant d'attendre leur destination finale. Il est surprenant de constater combien si peu de femmes occidentales savent ce qu'est l'excision des femmes. En règle générale quand elles arrivent elles n'ont aucune idée de ce que nous allons leur faire. Vous pouvez imaginer leur suprise quand elles découvrent que nous leur avons enlevé leur clitoris !<br/><br/>RZ : Ces femmes ne sont-elles pas recherchées ? Qu'en pensent leurs gouvernements ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Leurs gouvernements n'en ont rien à faire, il ne s'intéressent qu'au pétrole. Si quelques unes de leurs femmes finissent dans des harems, ils s'en fichent pas mal. On n'entend plus jamais parler de ces femmes. Elles sont gardées enfermées et satisfont les désirs de leur maître et lui apportent des enfants. L'excision les calment et les empêchent de se masturber et de repenser à leur vie passée et à leurs anciens amants.<br/><br/>RZ : Dites m'en plus sur la procédure de l'excision ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Cela concerne le clitoris. Il y a des variantes mais l'ablation du clitoris est le principal. La majorité des excisions consiste à le couper. C'est la méthode la plus efficace pour contrôler le comportement féminin. 90 % des nerfs responsables du plaisir sont dans son extrémité. Couper cette extrémité aura le résultat escompté. La masturbation ne sera plus en aucun cas une possibilité, elles se diront juste que cela ne marche plus et perdront tout intérêt à rechercher l'orgasme à travers la masturbation. J'ai entraîné une solide équipe de femmes dont la tâche est, en dehors de l'assistance aux accouchements, de vérifier qu'aucune jeune mère ne quitte la maternité avec son clitoris. C'est une bonne occasion d'exciser les femmes. Avec tous les dérangements provoqués par l'accouchement, l'ablation du clitoris est à peine remarquée. Beaucoup de femmes ne remarqueront même pas son absence jusqu'au retour des rapports avec leur mari. Ceci la rend à la fois meilleure mère et meilleure épouse. La police religieuse insiste sur la clitoridectomie, l'excision des petites et grandes lèvres et leur suture, laissant seulement un petit trou pour la miction. La clitoridectomie elle-même est plus radicale que simplement retirer l'extrémité : l'organe entier est retiré. On la réserve aux prostituées et aux femmes convaincues d'adultère.<br/><br/>Je prends d'abord un clamp pour saisir le clitoris et l'écarter. Je pratique ensuite une incision ovale autour de la base du clitoris. Avec un scalpel je découpe la chair l'entourant jusqu'à ce que le clitoris ne soit plus relié que par sa base. Sous le clitoris pointe le principal nerf du clitoris. Je tire sur le clitoris aussi fort que possible, tirant également sur le nerf qui lui est relié pour le détacher du corps aussi loin que possible, et je pratique une incision propre au plus près. Une grande partie du clitoris est ainsi retirée, ce qui ne fait pas partie de la procédure plus légère. J'excise ensuite les petites lèvres, puis les grandes et recouds les bords du vagin pour le fermer. Il ne reste alors qu'un petit trou permettant d'uriner et de faire sortir les flux menstruels. Ne pouvant pas utiliser d'analgésiques selon les recommendations de la police religieuse, les femmes crient et se tordent de douleur mais ma chaise spéciale ne leur laisse aucun possibilité de mouvement. J'utilise toujours des analgésiques lorsqu'autorisés par la loi.<br/><br/>Ma spécialité s'appelle l'ablation "harem". Pour beaucoup des femmes occidentales destinées au harem, je pratique une excision profonde et complète suivie d'une infibulation spéciale. Non pas l'obstruction du vagin mais, une fois le clitoris retiré, je resserre le bord supérieur du vagin avec quelques points de suture, après une incision en haut des grandes lèvres. Cet effet de resserrement est apprécié de mes clients, leurs maîtres. Sauf demande expresse, je n'excise jamais les petites lèvres. Je ne pense pas qu'il en vaille la peine puisqu'il n'y a pas assez de nerfs pour favoriser la masturbation ou l'orgasme pendant l'acte, tandis que les petites lèvres peuvent contribuer au plaisir de l'homme. Les hommes semblent apprécier l'ablation "harem" pour sa forme ou bien pour l'infibulation. Mais bien sûr il existe de multiples variations possibles...<br/><br/>Si l'excision est proprement réalisée, il n'y a plus aucune chance d'avoir un orgasme. L'excision spéciale harem enlève le clitoris et sa racine. Le resserement de la partie externe de la vulve aide également à isoler tout nerf qui serait resté. Le resserement aide l'époux à atteindre l'orgasme plus rapidement, ce qui diminue d'autant la stimulation que la femme reçoit. Même une masturbation frénétique serait totalement inefficace. Cela reviendrait pour elle à se frotter le coude. Ne couper que l'extrémité pourrait laisser une petite chance pour elle mais l'excision spéciale harem n'en laisse aucune. Elle ne sera plus concernée par son propre plaisir mais par celui de son mari et lui donner des enfants.<br/><br/>RZ : N'est-il pas possible de fuir l'Arabie Saoudite ? Les autorités saoudiennes confisqueraient-elles les passeports de ces femmes occidentales ?<br/><br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Une fois dans le royaume, la fuite est tout sauf possible. Les femmes ne peuvent voyager en Arabie Saoudite sans être accompagnées par un homme. Les femmes ne peuvent conduire. Une femme égarée sera retournée à son maître par la police religieuse. Un marquage au fer avec les insignes de la demeure définit à qui la femme appartient. J'ai visité quelques harems pour pratiquer sur places des excisions : certains pachas refusent de faire déplacer leurs concubines hors du harem.<br/><br/>Ce sont des batiments ultra-modernes. L'un de ceux que j'ai visités était entouré d'un mur lisse de 4,5 mètres de haut avec des clotures électriques au dessus, entourant un jardin. Au milieu, le palais du harem. Fenêtres à barreaux, pas de téléphone, pas de télévision. Des caméras partout. Les concubines portent des colliers en or dotés d'un mécanisme de décharge électrique si elles s'éloignent un peu trop. Les colliers utilisent également une sorte de système de vérouillage électronique. Une fois placé autour du cou, il ne peut plus être enlevé sans un mot de passe sur ordinateur.<br/><br/>Il y avait plusieurs occidentales là-bas, une douzaine à peu près. L'une d'elles s'appelait Abigale, une anglaise d'environ 19 ans, grande, les yeux bleus et de longs cheveux blonds, très jolie. Elle avait embarqué dans un jet privé avec un prince saoudien, elle n'avait même pas de passeport, elle a été amenée directement au royaume. Il s'avérait qu'elle était en fait un cadeau pour un vieil oncle du jeune prince. Elle voulait rentrer en Angleterre mais elle était désormais la propriété de son maître. Ils me l'ont amenée pour l'exciser et lui faire un marquage au ventre avec les insignes de la propriété familiale. L'excision les calme toujours. Elle était désormais libre de se concentrer à la procréation pour son maître.<br/><br/>Le maître du harem était plutôt âgé, je dirais pas loin des 80 ans. Il appréciait toujours ses femmes et engendrait beaucoup d'enfants même à cet âge. Il n'y avait aucun moyen pour la jeune femme de retirer son collier, traverser les barreaux des fenêtres, escalader le grand mur d'enceinte et couper les cables électriques à son sommet. Même si elle y parvenait, elle se retrouverait dans un pays qui n'autorise pas les femmes à voyager. La police religieuse l'arrêterait et le marquage au ventre leur indiquerait l'endroit où la ramener. Même si elle avait un passeport, il ne lui serait d'aucune utilité.<br/><br/>Durant ma visite de ce harem, j'ai excisé et marqué au fer toutes les épouses et concubines du pacha - une trentaine et de tout âge. L'une, qui venait de Suède, était arrivée là dans les années 70. Elle avait 52 ans et avait maintes fois enfanté pour le maître. Etudiante, elle avait été kidnappée pendant ses vacances, emmenée au royaume saoudien, placée dans ce harem et n'était plus sortie depuis plus de trente pour quelque raison que ce soit. Elle a donné naissance à neuf enfants là-bas. Je l'ai excisée également, en lui resserant un peu le vagin.<br/><br/>En résumé, si vous êtes invitée dans un harem en Arabie Saoudite, il n'y a aucun moyen d'en sortir, le gouvernement et la société s'en assurent.<br/><br/>RZ : Ces occidentales ne subissent-elles que la clitoridectomie, ne sont-elles pas également infibulée ? [L'infibulation signifie recoudre en obstruant l'ouverture du vagin]<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Si la femme m'est amenée par la police religieuse pour un crime, comme l'adultère, la prostitution ou la masturbation, ils me la font exciser et infibuler. Peu d'occidentales sont infibulées puisque leur rôle est de servir de concubines et de donner du plaisir à l'homme, lui donner des enfants. Avec la coupe spéciale harem, je recouds également le haut de la vulve après avoir retiré le clitoris, mais contrairement à l'infibulation qui empêche tout rapport, cela ne fait que resserrer le vagin lors du rapport.<br/><br/>RZ : Quels instruments utilise le docteur ? Un équipement ou des instruments spéciaux, en particulier pour les occidentales ?<br/><br/>Docteur Muzaffar : Un scalpel incurvé, des ciseaux chirurgicaux, des forceps, des écarteurs, des couteaux, des seringues, des pinces alligator, des miroirs laryngés et un « alpha-wave inducer », un appareil placé sur le front du patient qui provoque différents degrés d'inconscience, du sommeil à l'anésthésie générale. L'effet s'estompe environ 15 minutes après l'arrêt de l'appareil. L'induction aux ondes alpha est une bonne alternative aux médicaments anésthésiants. Un appareil IRM qui donne des informations détaillées sur le système nerveux central du patient. J'ai utilisé cet appareil pour déterminer la meilleure technique pour rendre l'excision aussi efficace que possible. J'ai commencé à utiliser un fil métallique, fin mais résistant. On l'utilise fréquemment en chirurgie endoscopique pour retirer des tumeurs ou polypes. Le fil est placé autour du clitoris, cautérisé puis sectionné avec la boucle du fil. J'ai trouvé que cela fonctionnait bien pour la clitoridectomie.</div> Stones from the Glass House of Saudtag:4freedoms.com,2010-04-19:3766518:Topic:211612010-04-19T22:46:46.000ZTha Grenadierhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/ThaGrenadier
<p>Stones from the Glass House of Saud<br></br></p>
<p>by Aaron Eitan Meyer • Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 am<br></br></p>
<p><a href="http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2010/04/stones-from-the-glass-house-of-saud">http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2010/04/stones-from-the-glass-house-of-saud</a><br></br></p>
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<p>On April 5, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to review Homaidan Ali Al-Turki's <a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/09-700_bio.pdf">conviction</a> on charges of forced…</p>
<p>Stones from the Glass House of Saud<br/></p>
<p>by Aaron Eitan Meyer • Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 am<br/></p>
<p><a href="http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2010/04/stones-from-the-glass-house-of-saud">http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2010/04/stones-from-the-glass-house-of-saud</a><br/></p>
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<p>On April 5, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to review Homaidan Ali Al-Turki's <a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/09-700_bio.pdf">conviction</a> on charges of forced slavery and sexual abuse. But the story here is not the criminal behavior of Al-Turki or even a growing number of <a href="http://www.danielpipes.org/2687/saudis-import-slaves-to-america">similar cases</a> of domestic slavery. It is the brazen attempt by the Saudi government to hinder U.S. law enforcement by positing Al-Turki, absurdly, as the victim of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab bias.<br/></p>
<p>Their "evidence," set forth in their request to file an <a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/09-700_Amicus-Kingdom-of-Saudi-Arabia.pdf">amicus curiae</a> brief, consisted of a combination of questionable allegations and unsubstantiated assertions:<br/></p>
<p><em><strong>Here, a potential juror expressed a bias against Muslims. The court did not question the juror about this bias and refused to allow Petitioner to question the juror. In light of the prevalence of anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiment in the United States, this case was one in which there was a "significant likelihood" that racial, ethnic, and/or religious bias might taint jury deliberations and impair the jurors' ability to be fair and impartial.<br/></strong></em></p>
<p>The argument first avers that a "juror expressed bias." In actual fact, the Colorado appeals court that affirmed Al-Turki's conviction <a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/09-700_bio.pdf">found</a> that prior to serving, the juror in question "did not evince any concerns of bias toward defendant or the Islamic religion." Nor did his comments afterward "unequivocally express actual bias against defendant or his religion."<br/></p>
<p>More significantly, the argument offers no substantive evidence to prove its central premise of prevalent "anti-Muslim and anti-Arab sentiment in the United States," much less how that would relate to the case at hand.<br/></p>
<p>But by far the most egregious aspect of the brief was the kingdom's temerity in lecturing the United States on the evils of discrimination in the trial setting. Saudi Arabia is a theocracy whose trial procedures, as explained in the <a href="http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2009/nea/136079.htm">Department of State's 2009 Country Report on Human Rights</a> Practices, explicitly accord second-class status to all non-Muslims and women:<br/></p>
<p><em><strong>The testimony of one man equals that of two women; judges may discount the testimony of non-practicing Sunni Muslims, Shia Muslims, or persons of other religions; and female parties in court proceedings such as divorce and family law cases must deputize male relatives to speak on their behalf unless they decide to speak for themselves.<br/></strong></em></p>
<p>Saudi Arabia's brief was simply another Islamist attempt to chill law enforcement with unsubstantiated accusations of racism. This time, however, the Saudi glass house is on full display.<br/></p>
<p>Aaron Eitan Meyer is assistant director at the Legal Project of the Middle East Forum.</p>
<p> </p> Saudi Arabia opens to outsiders as it looks to the futuretag:4freedoms.com,2010-02-08:3766518:Topic:170712010-02-08T00:49:58.000ZTha Grenadierhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/ThaGrenadier
Gulf nation is liberalising and the West needs to alter its outdated perceptions.<br></br><br></br>If anything sums up the mystery of Saudi Arabia, it is the story of two women who "mingled" with members of the opposite sex.<br></br><br></br>One was Khamisa Sawadi, a 75-year-old grandmother sentenced to 40 lashes for being found in the presence of a man who was not a blood relative. It was her late husband's nephew, and he had called at her house to deliver a loaf of bread. <br></br><br></br>The other was Aisha Natto,…
Gulf nation is liberalising and the West needs to alter its outdated perceptions.<br/><br/>If anything sums up the mystery of Saudi Arabia, it is the story of two women who "mingled" with members of the opposite sex.<br/><br/>One was Khamisa Sawadi, a 75-year-old grandmother sentenced to 40 lashes for being found in the presence of a man who was not a blood relative. It was her late husband's nephew, and he had called at her house to deliver a loaf of bread. <br/><br/>The other was Aisha Natto, a businesswoman from Jeddah, who was to be seen the other day "mingling" quite openly with a large number of men: Saudis, other Arabs and Westerners. Many of the women around her were not even veiled.<br/><br/>The very same government that has refused to intervene on behalf of Mrs Sawadi was hosting the Global Competitiveness Forum at Riyadh's Four Seasons Hotel, where Dr Natto received an award as founder of one of the country's fastest growing businesses.<br/><br/>The forum is one of a string of initiatives by which Saudi Arabia is trying to change its reputation as an inward-looking, conservative – and men-only – state whose economic policies revolve around deploying its oil wealth in the interests of its ruling family.<br/><br/>Dr Natto, who runs a chain of opticians and sits on Jeddah's chamber of commerce, was among numerous businesswomen, female reporters and public relations flaks hovering in the hotel's lobbies. Many saw the whole event as a deliberate policy of social "shock and awe": the possibilities of partnership with the oil superpower were being sweetened with social liberation.<br/><br/>"This is incredible compared even with five years ago," said Maha al-Ghunaim, a Kuwaiti financier who runs the Global Investment House, a regional private equity firm. She cites women-only queues at immigration as a significant step forward – an odd choice until you remember that in theory women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed out of the house without the permission of their husbands. It is no coincidence that she now regards Saudi Arabia as her top investment priority.<br/><br/>The relaxation of controls over women is part of a broader shift to which the West has been slow to wake up. The results are already plain to see, at least in Saudi Arabia's main cities.<br/><br/>Foreign investment, in a country long assumed to have no need of any, rose from $2bn (£1.2bn) in 2004 to $38bn in 2008 – figures that make China look dull. The World Bank last year ranked Saudi Arabia 13th in its list of easiest countries to do business in, a figure that caught even locally-based analysts by surprise. In 2005 it was 65th.<br/><br/>Confusion is understandable. Used as we are to the statistical twitches that represent triumph and disaster in Europe, it is hard to get beyond the headline figures of oil economies: the kingdom's nominal GDP rose 22pc in 2008 and fell 31pc in 2009.<br/><br/>But the more important comparison is that in 1973, the year of the last oil crisis, oil accounted for 72pc of GDP. In 2008, when oil prices peaked again, it was 31pc. The role of the private sector has risen until it is now almost half the economy. Leaving aside the oil gyrations, a clearer, emerging market story is unfolding as the state loosens the reins: long-term, non-oil growth of 5pc annually since 2004.<br/><br/>As in other emerging markets, the evidence is visible as well as statistical: take construction sector growth, which has averaged 5pc a year for a decade, and then look at the massive Kingdom Tower skyscraper, shaped like a bottle-opener, which houses<br/>the Four Seasons. Alternatively, see the red-and-white logo of HSBC, sprinkling the white buildings of Riyadh and Jeddah like the markings on an Arab keffiyeh: financial services liberalisation has allowed foreign banks to operate for the first time, with 10 opening up in the last decade.<br/><br/>Although the countries could not be more different in many ways, the comparison with China is apt. For both, an economic driver has been joining the World Trade Organisation, a step that seems obvious elsewhere but was brave in countries where outsiders are often regarded with suspicion.<br/><br/>"We have opened a lot of sectors to investors," said Khaldoon Muhassen, head of the National Competitiveness Centre, a body set up to spearhead reform. He said the country had gone beyond WTO commitments by opening government contracts to foreign firms, and held out the possibility of more change to come: reducing the need for outside investors to take local partners and, most shockingly of all, the possibility of business visas on arrival. Currently, all visitors require a letter of invitation, which is often only the starting point in a process lasting days or weeks.<br/><br/>There is a simple political motive for these changes. Unlike neighbours such as Qatar and Abu Dhabi, where oil money is shared among tiny native populations, Saudi Arabia has 25m mouths to feed, many poor and 60pc of them under the age of 25. Newly arriving firms are encouraged to employ as many locals as possible – a tall order, given the religious priorities of the education system.<br/><br/>For some, it is all too late, with the religious militancy of the last three decades clearly connected to a backwards and distorted economy. The reform-minded, but 85-year-old, King Abdullah has been the real power here for 15 years but was only able to put into practice his more forward-looking beliefs – for example, appointing a woman minister – after King Fahd died in 2005.<br/><br/>One US-educated former banker, now a women's rights activist, says that the radicalisation of Saudi youth means a majority would probably vote against the king's reforms, were there democracy.<br/><br/>Sops left to the conservatives include the continuing power of the religious police, who arrested the grandmother with the loaf of bread. The Four Seasons was undoubtedly unrepresentative, while the repeated mantra of Dubai's embattled bankers remains: "Would you rather live in Riyadh?" No one's betting on finding champagne in the mini-bars any time soon.<br/><br/>Miss al-Ghunaim, as an outsider, has no role in Saudi politics, but offers consolation. "There is now a plan," she said. "What King Abdullah is doing is fabulous. The longer it continues, the harder it will be to reverse." <br/><br/><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/globalbusiness/7183165/Saudi-Arabia-opens-to-outsiders-as-it-looks-to-the-future.html">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/globalbusiness/7183165/Saudi-Arabia-opens-to-outsiders-as-it-looks-to-the-future.html</a></span> <br/> Saudi Arabia goes to the moviestag:4freedoms.com,2010-01-02:3766518:Topic:139732010-01-02T00:27:36.000ZTha Grenadierhttp://4freedoms.com/profile/ThaGrenadier
<a href="http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/06/saudi_arabai_goes_to_the_movie.html" target="_blank">http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/06/saudi_arabai_goes_to_the_movie.html</a><br />
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Even then, they cannot omit their discriminating behavour towards women!<br />
<i>RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - For the first time in three decades, Saudis in the nation's capital did something that most Westerners take for granted -- they went to the movies. But it wasn't exactly date night. No women were…</i>
<a href="http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/06/saudi_arabai_goes_to_the_movie.html" target="_blank">http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/06/saudi_arabai_goes_to_the_movie.html</a><br />
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Even then, they cannot omit their discriminating behavour towards women!<br />
<i>RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - For the first time in three decades, Saudis in the nation's capital did something that most Westerners take for granted -- they went to the movies. But it wasn't exactly date night. No women were allowed.</i><br />
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Men and children, including girls up to 10, were allowed to attend Saturday's show at a government-run cultural center. Young male organizers of the event manned a checkpoint on the road leading to the gated center so no women could reach the theater.</i><br />
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Bunch of retards... sick in controlling another....<br />
Makes me remember that text from the Bible:<br />
Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?