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Slavery Victims

Any ideology which accepts the use of slavery, denies the 4 freedoms. This room covers such use, upto the present day.

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Many people are unaware of the pivotal role in the slave trade played by Muslim merchants that brought the slaves to the coast for sale, and are similarly unaware that slavery was still practised by several Islamic states well into the 20th century.  White slaves were even captured by Muslim raiders from the coasts of Europe and Britain and taken back to the Middle East. Indeed, there was a defined process of ransom for recovering those who were well enough connected. Slavery is codified in the Islamic scriptrures, and is still practised even today in Sudan, under the authority of those texts.

The Islamic Slave Trade:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL247AC74149E07F5A

Discussion Forum

Sex Slaves Market and Harem

Started by Indoeuropean. Last reply by Joe Aug 7, 2013. 1 Reply

Overview: Slavery, Islam and White Guilt

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Aug 4, 2013. 1 Reply

Arabs and the Slave Trade

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe May 1, 2013. 3 Replies

Slave Chains

Started by shiva. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 9, 2012. 1 Reply

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Comment by Joe yesterday

2 Mohammedans (named "Mohammed" too) in Oldham are being prosecuted for keeping a bunch of Slovakian men and women as slaves.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/uk-muslims-kept-slave-workers-in-...

Comment by Alan Lake on December 8, 2014 at 18:46

The Economist: Jihadists boast of selling captive women as concubines

THE holy book is clear about what to do when you capture a city: “Put to the sword all the men in it”. As for the women and children, “You may take these as plunder for yourselves.” This is pretty much the advice that the fighters of Islamic State (IS) seem to have followed in the Sinjar area of northern Iraq, peopled largely by members of the Yazidi faith, that the jihadists seized last month. Reports by the UN and independent human-rights groups suggest that the invaders executed hundreds of Yazidi men and kidnapped as many as 2,000 women and children.

Any doubt as to the fate of these captives was dispelled by the latest issue of IS’s glossy English-language online magazine, Dabiq. An article titled “The Revival of Slavery Before the Hour” details religious justifications for reintroducing a practice that ended in all but a few Muslim countries more than a century ago. It claims not only that the Koran, the sayings of the prophet and traditional Islamic law all endorse the enslavement of infidel women captured in wartime, but that the abandonment of this right has caused sin to spread; men are easily tempted to debauchery when denied this “legal” alternative to marriage.

Better yet, the article grimly enthuses, the prophet himself foretold that one of the signs of the Hour—the end of the world—was when “the slave girl gives birth to her master.” This obviously means that concubines are needed to breed soldiers for jihad. Therefore, explains the writer, the victorious warriors of Sinjar divided the Yazidi women and children among themselves, “after one fifth of the slaves were transferred to the Islamic State’s authority as khums”, ie, the share of booty surrendered to early Muslim commanders.

The fastidious theologians of IS are right in some respects. Technically speaking, the syncretic Yazidi faith may be regarded by Islam as heathen, denying its adherents the protections that Christians and Jews—fellow “people of the book”—should enjoy. And it is true, too, that Islamic scripture, although vague in many matters, is specific about slavery, including such questions as whether sex is permitted. In recent times Muslim rebels in Sudan as well as in Nigeria have used such arcane justifications to excuse enforced concubinage.

Yet the fact is that, like members of most faiths, the vast majority of Muslims have pragmatic concerns about hyper-literal interpretations. Mainstream Muslim clerics, citing competing verses and traditions that praise the freeing of slaves as a virtuous act, often describe Islam’s abandonment of slavery as a sign of its adaptability to modern times. Besides, imagine if Christians and Jews still followed the letter of the Bible, which is, incidentally, the source of the passage at the top of this article. The verse (Deuteronomy 20:10-20) also prescribes that in case of capturing a city from the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites or Jebusites, the victors should “utterly destroy them” and “save alive nothing that breatheth”.

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21625870-jihad...

Comment by Antony on November 23, 2014 at 17:05
Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 31, 2014 at 12:08

That's cheap, I expect that they are a top export commodity in the Arab world.

Comment by Joe on August 31, 2014 at 9:10

The Caliphate taking women as slaves, selling them for $25.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/islamic-state-holds-yazidi-women-...

Comment by Alan Lake on August 20, 2014 at 2:10

Of course, you wouldn't be allowed to produce such a video nowadays.  Rather than stop such cruel slavery, the cowards would rather beware of "offending" Islam.

Comment by Antony on August 19, 2014 at 12:49

islam & Slavery

Comment by Antony on May 27, 2014 at 6:51
Comment by paul collings on May 3, 2014 at 12:17

There has been a concerted effort to paint White people as evil/bad. If you look at recent history, Hitler, Stalin from Europe that could well seem true.

We can look to others in recent times, like Franco, Mussolini, and the south American dictators, who depending on your political motives can be any colour or race you like, I refer to the case of Treyvon Martin And whether his killer George Zimmerman was white black, Hispanic, or whatever.  

There was all the eastern European dictators who were white, they were evil, and a multitude of black dictators from Africa (and still are) who are evil.

If we look back in history and recall the name of Genghis Khan, was he any less evil. You can call him a great leader, but try telling that to all the people who had their backs broken on a barrel, trampled under a horse or slash by a sword.

What about Alexandra the Great. How great would have thought he was when you were pegged out in the desert with your eye lids cut open, or while you was watching your village get raised to the ground.

I don't suffer white guilt, but I see history for what it is. History. Something to be learned from. At times it may look like the white coloured humans  are better the black coloured people, but time will put that into perspective.

On the whole most people are decent. Individuals are often evil, we all have a lot to learn. But I don't think on an historical basis anyone can claim the moral high ground. Its what we do in the future that will decide if the human race as a whole is good or evil. The future is catching up with us, and the lines are being drawn.

Will people do what's right. Or will they join the side they think will win the ideological war.

With the whole world divided between black and white, east and west, man, and women, old and young, rich and poor, Islam and non Islam, capitalist and socialist, I think the only winner in the short term will be evil. And it won't be bothered what colour you are.      

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 3, 2014 at 10:04

What it all boils down to is- "only white people bad". An objective (unbiased) view of history would show that they were (are) no worse than any other colour and in many cases they were (are) less evil. We have every reason to be proud of European acheivement. I do not suffer from white-guilt, what pains me is being falsely accused of wrongdoing.

We are envied for our success by those that are incompetant and that use us to excuse their own laziness.

 

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Most prosperous Western societies are based on a model we call the Secular Democratic Marketplace (SDM). Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the principal agents exploiting these defects, is Islam. Therefore, this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks; nor to read them; nor even to record them. So 4F gives only a brief overview of how far it has advanced and by what methods.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow Muslims the possibility of escape from their totalitarian political system.

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