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Slavery Victims

Any ideology which accepts the use of slavery, denies the 4 freedoms. This room covers such use, upto the present day.

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Latest Activity: May 27

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Many people are unaware of the pivotal role in the slave trade played by Muslim merchants that brought the slaves to the coast for sale, and are similarly unaware that slavery was still practised by several Islamic states well into the 20th century.  White slaves were even captured by Muslim raiders from the coasts of Europe and Britain and taken back to the Middle East. Indeed, there was a defined process of ransom for recovering those who were well enough connected. Slavery is codified in the Islamic scriptrures, and is still practised even today in Sudan, under the authority of those texts.

The Islamic Slave Trade:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL247AC74149E07F5A

Discussion Forum

UN Slavery Report 1951

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Aug 10, 2013. 3 Replies

Sex Slaves Market and Harem

Started by Indoeuropean. Last reply by Joe Aug 7, 2013. 1 Reply

Overview: Slavery, Islam and White Guilt

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Aug 4, 2013. 1 Reply

Arabs and the Slave Trade

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe May 1, 2013. 3 Replies

Slave Chains

Started by shiva. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 9, 2012. 1 Reply

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Comment by Antony on May 27, 2014 at 6:51
Comment by paul collings on May 3, 2014 at 12:17

There has been a concerted effort to paint White people as evil/bad. If you look at recent history, Hitler, Stalin from Europe that could well seem true.

We can look to others in recent times, like Franco, Mussolini, and the south American dictators, who depending on your political motives can be any colour or race you like, I refer to the case of Treyvon Martin And whether his killer George Zimmerman was white black, Hispanic, or whatever.  

There was all the eastern European dictators who were white, they were evil, and a multitude of black dictators from Africa (and still are) who are evil.

If we look back in history and recall the name of Genghis Khan, was he any less evil. You can call him a great leader, but try telling that to all the people who had their backs broken on a barrel, trampled under a horse or slash by a sword.

What about Alexandra the Great. How great would have thought he was when you were pegged out in the desert with your eye lids cut open, or while you was watching your village get raised to the ground.

I don't suffer white guilt, but I see history for what it is. History. Something to be learned from. At times it may look like the white coloured humans  are better the black coloured people, but time will put that into perspective.

On the whole most people are decent. Individuals are often evil, we all have a lot to learn. But I don't think on an historical basis anyone can claim the moral high ground. Its what we do in the future that will decide if the human race as a whole is good or evil. The future is catching up with us, and the lines are being drawn.

Will people do what's right. Or will they join the side they think will win the ideological war.

With the whole world divided between black and white, east and west, man, and women, old and young, rich and poor, Islam and non Islam, capitalist and socialist, I think the only winner in the short term will be evil. And it won't be bothered what colour you are.      

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 3, 2014 at 10:04

What it all boils down to is- "only white people bad". An objective (unbiased) view of history would show that they were (are) no worse than any other colour and in many cases they were (are) less evil. We have every reason to be proud of European acheivement. I do not suffer from white-guilt, what pains me is being falsely accused of wrongdoing.

We are envied for our success by those that are incompetant and that use us to excuse their own laziness.

Comment by paul collings on May 2, 2014 at 13:26

The taking of slaves is as old as the human race, Almost, if we're to sue everyone for every wrong doing in history, we may as well all go to war.

The Egyptians were big on slaves. so were the Greeks, and the Persians. It was people from the Islamic nations that continued the trade of slavery, and indeed its written in their lovely book that taking slaves is permissible.

The slave trade still exists in places like Arabia. But no one cares about that. It is looking more and more like its a ploy to keep racism and  division alive in 21st century life.

And its working.   

Comment by Joe on May 2, 2014 at 12:52
Comment by Antony on May 2, 2014 at 11:55

Phil - agreed - in addition, these people have already had the lion's share of reparations in the form of 3rd world aid, welfare benefits etc anyway.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 2, 2014 at 10:49

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577312/Caribbean-leaders-s...

Caribbean States sue Norway, Britain and other European States for their involvement in the slave trade. They also want an apology.

Which is okay by me if the money is used to resettle people of African descent in Africa.

There has to be a statute of limitations on such claims otherwise they become ridiculus.

Shouldn’t they be grateful that the Europeans established African colonies for them in The New World?

-Armenians sue Turkey.

-Native Americans sue The USA.

-Descendents of felons transported to Australia sue Britain.

-African Americans sue who? Europeans,their own African tribal chiefs, Arab slave traders?

(North American slaves were offered a ticket back to Africa).

-Europe sues the North African States for the slave trade in Europeans.

-Black South Africans sue White South Africans.

-Russia is sued for wrongdoing during Soviet era.

-Germany sued for Nazi excesses.

-European and other non-Muslim countries sue Muslim countries for Islamist attacks.

-etc.

 

The Caribbeans should stop moaning and get down to the hard work of making their states functional and productive.




Comment by Joe on March 26, 2014 at 1:28

Bangladeshi diplomat in NY keeps a man a slave?

http://pamelageller.com/2014/03/new-york-bangladesh-consul-general-...

Comment by Antony on March 10, 2014 at 7:33

 Why does Hollywood ignore the white slaves ;  http://takimag.com/article/why_does_hollywood_ignore_white_slavery_...

Comment by Antony on March 10, 2014 at 7:26

The Forgotten Slaves ; http://www.clarionproject.org/videos/forgotten-slaves-1400-years-mu... ... shame Steve MacQueen the much feted director of 12 Years A Slave did'nt cover more up to date slavery, but then maybe this would be too "uncomfortable" and would not have earned him any trophies from the "beautiful people" of the gated communities in Tinseltown. nor fawning admiration from the arts-grant London Luvvie-ocracy.

 

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Mission Overview

The two current threats to Secular Democracy (SD) of Islam and Debt arise due to fundamental vulnerabilities in its constitution. Hence the 4 Freedoms definitions give 4 corrections to that ideology.

We have little expectation of those corrections being implemented, because SD rests on an even more fundamental fallacy, that:
The 'open marketplace' of ideas driven by rational self interest will lead to ideological well being - in the same way that Adam Smith's free market of prices leads to economic well being.

But ideological faction is not comparable with economic grouping, because the rational self interest of ideological actors performs differently to that of economic actors. Consequently, the open society of SD, will succumb gradually to any strong, unified gang, of which, Islam is one example.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks; nor to read them; nor even to record them, so 4F gives only a sample view of how far it has advanced and by what methods. We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and will force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow Muslims the possibility of escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These freedoms protect against four vulnerabilities in standard definitions of democracy.
1. Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of free speech and democracy
2. Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed -except one advocating the end of free speech and democracy
3. Freedom from Religious Intrusion
Religion & culture operate freely in the private sphere, but are regulated by law in the public sphere
4. Freedom from Debt
The electorate is not allowed to live off debt and dump it on the next generation

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