Fascists boast: “We’re waging a war against the Swedes”

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Permalänk Svar från Joe hos 27 December 2011 på 0.57

I think I found the original PDF:

www.reaktion.nu/PDF/VI__0011.PDF

But it certainly does not claim the "war" quote in the abstract which the racist site implies is there - translate.google.com cannot translate the PDF because it is too large. So, at the moment, I'd say this spin on the report looks spurious.

The same phrasing used on the racist site is to be found on counter-jihad sites in relation to this report. Furthermore, it looks like it can be traced back to 2006 when it was reported by Fjordman. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938

Some of the links to the report (e.g. that on BrusselsJournal) are dead.

Permalänk Svar från Antony hos 27 December 2011 på 7.01

Good article - again, the $6million Q is when is the tipping point when indiginous patriots/secular democrats will say enough is enough, and more to the point, act upon it ? A problem, if not the problem, we face is that the public has grown so used to believing as an article of faith that our dear establishment has the wishes of its loyal subjects at heart, that it will somehow at some mythical time in the future, right the wrongs of islamisation and mass immigration.

Permalänk Svar från paul collings hos 27 December 2011 på 12.38

The situation in sweden is obviously becoming worse. But it is also true that it is becoming worse everywhere muslim imigration has erupted. Something that must be obvious to our ruling elite. Yet it is still allowed to continue. Because of this extreme position by the politicians, and allowing mass unabated immigration is extreme, we will find an extreme counter reaction will eventually take place.

In sweden as in almost every other part of europe the people are being asked to move aside in favour of an invading ideology and its army. You can only squeeze people so much before they react in some way. The site may be racist but they are using logical arguement

 

Permalänk Svar från shiva hos 27 December 2011 på 20.18

Yo Joe

That is the original pdf. You are correct, the abstract does not mention anything about war.

”Vi krigar mot svenskarna” Unga rånare om hur och Varför de begår brott. Av Petra Åkesson

Abstract

What is that attract teenagers to rob other teenagers? In the present study young men who have robbed or are still robbing other teenagers in the city of Malmö are interviewed. Albert K Cohen's and Jack Katz”s analyses are used as theoretical frames to understand and interpret the phenomenon. The interviewees are youngsters with non-Swedish backgrounds and are between 15- 17 years old. The teenagers state that they are not usually planning or organizing their crimes and that they usually perform in gangs. Attainment of money is used as an account for the robberies. The youngsters also describe the excitement, attraction and adventure in carrying through the robberies. The teenagers' behaviour can be seen as a way to kill time, but in a distinctive way. They explain that by robbing other teenagers they make themselves into image of being dangerous. Furthermore, the interviewees explain that they mainly rob Swedish teenagers (young men), as these are stingy, mean and cowardly. The youngsters explain that they do not feel accepted in the Swedish society. Robbing Swedish young men can thus be seen as a symbolic response and if successful,Victory, towards and over a society that does not integrate and respect them; a way for the teenagers to transform their humiliation.

I have just read the report (incidentally I can read, and speak Swedish more or less fluently).

What the racist writer states can be found in the section Varför rånar man (why do you rob) starting on page 24

Can I suggest you try to convert the doc to HTML, then you only need to run six pages through the translator, 24-32

Here you will fin what you are looking for.

There where only 11 yoots interviewed, so it does not seem like a full scale war yet 

I am using a Mac, and there is a feature that converts PDF, but with the doc it only gives me the first 18 pages.

Permalänk Svar från Joe hos 27 December 2011 på 22.16

Thanks, Shiva.  I'd already pointed out to the people commenting on the piece (where I first saw it), that the site was racist, and therefore the synopsis should be considered doubtful.  They did take that on board, which is good.  I will try converting it and have a look (of course, I'll be at the mercy of google or babelfish).  As for the study only being based on 11 yoofs, that hasn't stopped "respectable" British academics and their analysis of EDL being published in The British Journal of Criminology, and cited on Wikipedia.  It was based on an interview with 3 "members" from EDL:

http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/51/4/621.abstract

As far as I can gather, this Swedish study based on 11 muslims, was done by a student.  Whereas the extensive and exhaustive 3 person study was done by two professional academics at the University of Leicester.

It looks like we have higher standards than the liars in charge of Wikipedia, and higher than professional criminology academics in the UK.  We would consider such "qualitative" studies as dubious and probably biased; but they're sound as far as the world's most popular encyclopedia is concerned.  Oh yes, and the 3-person study is also considered sound by Islamophobia Watch.  http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2011/10/6/acad...

Makes me wonder if we are fighting by the queensbury rules, whilst the communists and muslims are making ricin.

Permalänk Svar från paul collings hos 27 December 2011 på 22.17

This from 2006. Have things gotten better in sweden. Just a handful of youths playing up

 

Jihad Watch

Muslims rule major Swedish city

An exclusive series of translations from the Swedish press, made for Jihad Watch by Ali Dashti: [NOTE: IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION HERE]

Sweden is one of the worst hit countries in Europe of Muslim immigration and Political Correctness. Now, the police themselves have publicly admitted that they no longer control one of Sweden's major cities. I have made some exclusive translations from Swedish media. They show the future of Eurabia unless Europeans wake up.
I’ve seen the future of Eurabia, and it’s called 'Sweden.' Malmø is Sweden’s third largest city, after Stockholm and Gothenburg. Once-peaceful Sweden, home of ABBA, IKEA and the Nobel Prize, is increasingly looking like the Middle East on a bad day.

All following links to major Swedish newspapers, with a brief translation:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,529910,00.html

Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized. "Something drastic has to be done, or much more blood will be spilled" says one of the locals.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10092861

The number of people emigrating from the city of Malmø is reaching record levels. Swedes, who a couple of decades ago decided to open the doors to Muslim "refugees" and asylum seekers, are now turned into refugees in their own country and forced to flee their homes. The people abandoning the city mention crime and fear of the safety of their children as the main reason for leaving.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10090830

ALL of the 600 windows at one of the schools in Malmø have been broken during the summer holiday. Window smashing alone costs the city millions every year. City buses have been forced to avoid the immigrant ghetto, as they are met with youths throwing rocks or bottles at them if they enter. Earlier this year, a boy of Afghan origin had made plans to blow up his own school.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093267

People working at the emergency ward at the major hospital in Malmø receive threats every day, and are starting to get used to it. Patients with knives or guns are commonplace. They have discussed having metal detectors at the emergency entrance, but some fear this could be seen as a provocation.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093495

Lisa Nilsson has lived in Manhatten, New York City, for 25 years. After moving back to Malmø, Sweden, she now misses the safety of New York. She never walks anywhere in Malmø after dark, but takes a taxi everywhere she goes.

http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=180423

Rapes in Sweden as a whole have increased by 17% just since the beginning of 2003, and have had a dramatic increase during the past decade. Gang rapes, usually involving Muslim immigrant males and native Swedish girls, have become commonplace. Two weeks ago, 5 Kurds brutally raped a 13-year-old Swedish girl.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,528363,00.html

22-year-old Swedish woman going out for fresh air gang raped by three strange men. The only said one word to her: "Whore!"

Ali Dashti comments: "Stories like this are in Swedish newspapers every week. Swedish media usually take great care not to mention the ethnic background of the perpetrators, but you can usually read it between the lines."

One more: how have Swedish politicians reacted to the chaos caused in one of their major cities because of Muslims of whom even the police seem to be afraid? By making it easier for Muslims to enter Sweden:

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/81008.html

Sweden's politicians view arranged marriages as a positive tradition: a cultural pattern that immigrants should be allowed to preserve even in Sweden. The Swedish government feels that interfering in arranged marriages is an encroachment upon private life. In addition, immigrant couples can apply for family reunification in Sweden even if they've never seen each other before - as long as the marriage is entered in a culture with a tradition of parents arranging marriages on behalf of their children. A 2002 study by Växjö University economics professor Jan Ekberg found that immigration cost Swedish taxpayers DKK 33 billion that year, compared to just DKK 10 billion in Denmark. And while one might assume that the rise in costs would result in knee-jerk opposition to immigration, just the opposite has happened in Sweden. A Swedish government commission has proposed abolishing the so-called “seriousness requirement.”

Permalänk Svar från paul collings hos 27 December 2011 på 22.27

 “Vi krigar mot svenskarna” (“We’re waging a war against the Swedes”),

 

Hi  Shiva, is the above a true translation? This is from the brussels journal.

Permalänk Svar från shiva hos 28 December 2011 på 3.00

paul collings sa:

“Vi krigar mot svenskarna” (“We’re waging a war against the Swedes”),

 

Hi  Shiva, is the above a true translation? This is from the brussels journal.

Yo Paul

Not quite sure which of the articles you are referring

The article from Brussels Journal is by Fjordman and as far the translation goes, it is correct. For more about this read my forthcoming comment to Joe, which I will post after I have finished this one.

The article From Jihad Watch is from 2004, not 2006, the translations are by Ali Dashti, and they are spot on

Permalänk Svar från shiva hos 28 December 2011 på 4.15

Joe said

The same phrasing used on the racist site is to be found on counter-jihad sites in relation to this report. Furthermore, it looks like it can be traced back to 2006 when it was reported by Fjordman.

Yo

If you read the article, there is nothing racist about it, in fact the article is a direct copy paste job of Fjordmans, yet true to form they do not past the last paragraph

This is a situation in some ways similar to the Great Depression that led to the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s. Is this where we are heading once again, with fear, rising Fascism and political assassinations? The difference is that the “Jewish threat” in the 1930s was entirely fictional, whereas the “Islamic threat” now is very real. However, it is precisely the trauma caused by the events of 70 years ago that is clouding our judgement this time, since any talk at all about the threat posed by Muslim immigration or about preserving our own culture is being dismissed as “the same rhetoric as the Nazis used against the Jews.” Europeans have been taught to be so scared of our own shadows that we are incapable of seeing that darkness can come from the outside, too. Maybe Europe will burn again, in part as a belated reaction to the horrors of Auschwitz.

As I mentioned, the statement "We are at war with the Swedes does not appear until the section "Why do you rob", and I can not be arsed to translate the whole lot, even for you old buddy ;).

But here is something for you to chew on

Her question was: What can entice and attract young people to rob other young people?

A general statement, independent of each other from different boys and at different interview times, was the "war against Swedes':

Original Swedish text:

När vi är ute på stan och rånar, så krigar vi, vi krigar mot svenskarna!' Det är ett argument som de pojkarna som intervjuats använder för är att förklara vilka känslor de far när de rånar.

When we're out and rob, as warrior, we, we are at war with the Swedes!' There is an argument that the boys who were interviewed are using is to explain the feelings they get when they mug.

Original Swedish text:

Jag frågade även ungdomarna på Villaskolan vad de menade med att 'kriga' mot svenskarna och de svarar:'jo, det är ett krig mot svenskarna, vi bråkar om sakerna'. En av pojkarna från Villaskolan förklarar vad makt betyder för honom och säger följande: 'makt för mig är att svenskarna ska se på mig och lägga sig ner på marken och pussa mina fötter'.

I also asked young people at school wanted what they meant by the 'war' against the Swedes and the answers: 'yes, it is a war against the Swedes, we are arguing about things.' One of the boys from Villa School explains what power means to him and says the following 'power to me is that the Swedes shall look at me and lay down on the ground and kiss my feet.'

Original Swedish text:

"Jag frågade även ungdomarna om de enbart rånar svenskar, eftersom de vanligtvis pratar i benämningar av att 'råna svenskarna'. Alla ungdomarna menade att det vara lättast råna svenskarna på grund av att de oftast var väldigt rädda under råntillfällena. De intervjuade ungdomarna använder ord som 'rädda', 'mesiga', 'dumma' för att beskriva svenskar i detta sammanhang och de anger också det vara ett skäl till varför de väljer att råna svenskar."

"I also asked young people if they only mug Swedes, as they usually talk in terms of 'robbing the Swedes'. All the young people felt that it may be easiest to rob Swedes, because they usually were very frightened during rough sessions. They interviewed young people use the word to 'save', 'wimpy', 'stupid' to describe the Swedes in this context and also indicates it may be a reason why they choose to rob Swedes. "

Original Swedish text:

"Ungdomarna säger att de 'krigar' mot svenskarna och ur denna synvinkel visar de att de känner fientlighet och aggression mot svenskar. Alla ungdomar berättar att de utför rånen utanför sina egna bostadsområden, främst i centrala delarna av Malmö, exempelvis Gustav Adolfs torg, Kungsparken, Kirseberg, Lugnet och Södervärn. Katz diskuterar som tidigare nämnt att ungdomar vanligtvis ser på omgivning utanför hemmet som ett 'slagfält'.

Young people say they 'war' against the Swedes, in this respect they show that they feel hostility and aggression against the Swedes. All young people say that they carry out robberies outside their own neighborhoods, primarily in the central parts of Malmö, for example, Gustav Adolf Square, King's Park , Kirseberg, and Södervärn. Katz discusses previously mentioned that young people usually see on the environment outside the home as a 'battleground'.

Original Swedish text:

"Det som är karakteristisk för de intervjuade ungdomarna är att de har skapat egna regler och normer som de lever efter, exempelvis att de 'krigar' mot svenskarna. 'Vi vill bara jävlas med svenskarna och sno deras mobiler', berättar pojken från Rönnowskolan och det framstår som om pojken och hans gäng känner sig nöjda och stolta över de brottsliga handlingarna, det vill säga har funnit egna statuskriterier.

The characteristic of the interviewed young people is that they have created their own rules and norms they live by, for example, that the 'war' against the Swedes. 'We just want to mess with the Swedes and steal their cell phones,' says the boy from Rønnow School and it appears as if the boy and his gang feel happy and proud to criminal offenses, that is, have found their own state criteria.

More statements from those interviewed robbers:
• "When we're out and rob, as warrior, we, we are at war with the Swedes!"
• "The Swedes do not do anything and they give us only the things, they're so wimpy .."
• "... it will only we mug someone, we see some Swedes that look rich or seem to have great phones and then we mug them."
• "... we just mug them, when there is a Swedish, we go forward ..."
• "We can rob when we want and feel like it, it's fun and sometimes funny, like a fun game ..."
• "We must be quick, for when one robs a Swedish, then run the other Swedes out!"
• "Sometimes, for example, we ask what they are called, where they live, what they do and talk to them nicely, we are good and they are deceived and believe that we are good"
• "... it is so easy to rob Swedes, it is so easy ..."
• "they are so afraid, they dare not go out, the Swedes who are robbed of us dare not go out"
• "There's a great feeling through the body when we are mugs, you feel satisfied and happy, you feel like you succeeded, it simply feels good"
• "... it's fun, it's also a game with the cops ..."

Permalänk Svar från paul collings hos 28 December 2011 på 13.14

 Hi Shiva, thanks. the artical i was reading was from fjordman. Which was from 2006, but your right the J/W artical was from 2004, my mistake.

cheers

Permalänk Svar från paul collings hos 31 December 2011 på 12.08

Just so Sweden dosn't think they're alone heres a piece about the terrorist threat in the UK.  This is not a racist newspaper, and nowwhere does it suggest that anyone has decleared war on the British.

So are we at war, or is it just a few bad eggs, the same as Sweden, are they at war or is it just a big fuss over nothing.

 

Over Christmas, theres been the attacks on the churches in nigeria, attacks in iraqi, afganistan, and pakistan. Not to mention the continued deaths going on in syria.

 

It looks as though we are becoming used to all this death and arn't really taking it that serious. The people commiting these crimes across europe need locking up now, forever. Its driven by the hate generated in the koran, and its time the book of death was exposed publicly by people  who understand it and have studied it properly.

Even 1 immigrant who thinks its ok to rob and humilliate members of the host nation is 1 too many.

 

And as for the 200 people ready and willing to blow us up! its time the so called intelligence people did something about it, and started crushing the filthy murdering extremist's in this country and all european country's, and if that means upsetting the muslim community then so be it. They shouldn't blindly follow a murdering cult. Weather we're at war or not the results are the same, people are being murdered, theres a risk of attact, and the risk to a racial group (the jews) of being exterminated is high. As well as our way of life being changed forever. We know who the enemy are. Its time the people we pay protect us acted, or its time we employed people who will. The Swedish people need to do something the same as we do. And thats accept the truth. We are at war. 

 

 

This from the Telegraph.

 

Terrorism in the UK

200 suicide bombers 'planning attacks in UK'

At least 200 potential terrorists are actively planning suicide attacks while living freely in Britain, intelligence chiefs have warned ministers.

By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent

9:00PM BST 08 Oct 2011

A senior intelligence source has revealed that the figure is a "conservative" estimate of the threat facing the country from UK-based Islamist suicide bombers.

The would-be killers are among 2,000 extremists who the security services have said are based in Britain and actively planning terrorist activity of some kind.

The figures are contained within a secret government report on the "enduring terrorist threat" facing the UK from al-Qaeda and affiliated organisations, The Sunday Telegraph has been told.

While the deaths of Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki may have left al-Qaeda without a charismatic leader, both the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, and the Security Service, MI5, believe the organisation remains as dangerous as ever.

The warning comes as Britain begins preparations for next year's 2012 Olympic Games, which has been described by MI5 as the biggest security operation in the country's history.

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But senior sources believe that rather than targeting Olympic venues, where security will be extremely high, terrorists will be tempted to attack areas where crowds are likely to congregate such as train stations and public events.

If terrorists were to mount an attack in Britain of the kind seen in other countries, by packing a single explosive vest with hundreds of ball bearings then detonating it in a crowded enclosed area such as a station terminus at rush hour, they could kill up to 120 people according to one explosives expert.

The 200 British residents thought to be planning suicide attacks, either within the UK or overseas, represent one in 10 of the wider group of 2,000 terrorist plotters.

The intelligence source added that suicide bombers would only be stopped by either a "chance encounter" or by an intelligence-led investigation. But he added that if a terrorist cell was properly organised and secure there was very little the authorities could do to prevent an attack.

The latest disclosure follows the arrest of six men from Birmingham who were remanded in custody two weeks ago over an alleged UK suicide bombing plot.

Two of the six, Irfan Nasser and Irfan Khalid, are accused of preparing for an act of terrorism, including travelling to Pakistan for training in terrorism, making a martyrdom video and planning a bombing campaign. They are also accused of "being concerned in constructing" a home-made explosive device for terrorist acts and stating an intention to be a suicide bomber.

Earlier this year, classified intelligence documents disclosed by the whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks, showed that MI6 officers believed that Britain was facing a wave of suicide attacks from British-based Muslim extremists who had been trained in terrorist camps in Pakistan.

One report quoted an MI6 officer's briefing to US officials in which he said: "The internal threat is growing more dangerous because some extremists are conducting non-lethal training without ever leaving the country. Should these extremists then decide to become suicide operatives, HMG [Her Majesty's Government] intelligence resources, eavesdropping and surveillance would be hard pressed to find them on any 'radar screen'."

One intelligence official told this newspaper: "We may have only had one 'successful' suicide attack in Britain but the tactic remains an enduring threat. This is a generational problem we are facing. The terrorists are learning all the time and adapting their tactics. They now operate a cell structure and there security is very tight.

"Suicide bombers know the signs we will be looking for. So they don't pray in the moments before an attack, there will be no heavy coats in summer and they are becoming much more security aware. For every countermeasure we develop they create a new 'measure'. They will always be looking for our exposed flank."

Intelligence experts believe that suicide bombers are motivated by a number of factors including politics, religion, poverty, finance and social factors.

Research has shown that they can be drawn from all social strata and can range from the well-educated to the mentally impaired. In Iraq and Afghanistan, young children and women have been recruited, while in London, the 7/7 bombers who killed 52 people and injured hundreds more in four coordinated attacks on the Tube and bus network came from stable backgrounds with close families.

Another classified report, details of which have been passed to this newspaper, stated that suicide attacks had developed as the weapon of choice for al-Qaeda and its supporters because of the level of fear that such attacks can engender.

The report cited examples of past suicide attacks which were perceived by the organisations which mounted them as having produced successful outcomes, such as the Beirut barracks bombing of 1983 which was followed by the withdrawal of US forces from Lebanon

Permalänk Svar från Alan Lake hos 31 December 2011 på 14.42

"The report cited examples of past suicide attacks which were perceived by the organisations which mounted them as having produced successful outcomes, such as the Beirut barracks bombing of 1983 which was followed by the withdrawal of US forces from Lebanon."

And wasn't there a small matter of a the Madrid train bombings, which were followed by Spain running away and pulling its troops out of Iraq?  So terrorism works, yes?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4845463/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/...

Oh, I'm sorry my poor leftists,  I've offended you by this linking of cause and effect!  Can't have chickens coming home to roost now, can we?  Well let me correct it so your tiny minds can sleep well in your cot at night:

• "none of these events are connected and the laws of cause and effect do not apply in Spain in 2004, nor in Beirut in 1983"

There, happy now?

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