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UK: 16 Guantanamo fascists receive £14m payout

Who remembers this now?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8141160/...

Sixteen Guantanamo detainees, including one who is still in the US military prison, are to share a pay-out of £14m, it can be disclosed.

The payments to the 16 prisoners were made against a background in which MI5 and MI6 felt their control of secret intelligence was “spiraling out of control” one source said.

It was the first time that the security services had been sued in civil courts on such a scale and sources say the civil court system was ill-equipped to cope.

Up to 100 officers and lawyers were involved in scruitinising documents for MI5 alone as part of a disclosure process that involved examining 500,000 documents across both security services.

The procedure was expected to last three to five years and cost up to £50m, Ken Clarke, the Justice Secretary told the House of Commons.

Mr Clarke said the country’s reputation for human rights, justice, fairness and the rule of law risked being tarnished.

He said a mediated settlement had been reached which was subject to a legally binding confidentiality agreement, however the Daily Telegraph understands that the sum amounts to £14m.

The victims here are not victims of terror.  What is it?  It seems like criminal fraud, where the Muslims, who happen to be terrorists in this case, scam money off our weak and incompetent government.

Mr. Clarke was worried about our reputation for human rights, justice and fairness.  But was he worried about hard working men and women in this country that now have to pay the price for his feeling of moral superiority?

Tags: Kuffarphobes, guantanamo, zcrime, zterror, zuk

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Permalink Reply by shiva on August 18, 2012 at 5:51

Well, the islamic world, has a very simple solution, so as to maintain their feeling of moral superiority, they take no prisoners.

Permalink Reply by shiva on August 23, 2012 at 7:30

"A Guide to the Perplexed Regarding the Permissibility of Killing Prisoners," which appeared in the column "Jihad News from the Land of the Caucasus". In this the author suggests that the Islamic religious scholars present five different alternatives, drawn from the various interpretations of the Koran:

1) A polytheist prisoner must be killed. No amnesty may be granted to him, nor can he be ransomed.

2) All infidel polytheists and the People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians) are to be killed. They may not be granted amnesty, nor can they be ransomed.

3) Amnesty and ransom are the only two ways to deal with prisoners.

4) Amnesty and ransom are possible only after the killing of a large number of prisoners.

5) The Imam, or someone acting on his behalf, can choose between killing, amnesty, ransom or enslaving the prisoner.

 

 Verse 8:67 of the Qur’an was “revealed” in the aftermath of Badr and says “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land.”

The prophet of Islam went on to execute many other captives, most notoriously the 800 men and boys taken prisoner at Qurayza.

His men also brutally murdered an elderly woman named Umm Qirfa after taking her prisoner following a raid on the tribe of Banu Fazara. According to al-Tabari she was killed by, “putting a rope to her two legs and to two camels and driving them until thy rent her in two.” (The woman’s daughter was then doled out to one of her Muslim killers)

 And lets us not forget

Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on February 15, 2016 at 1:44

Ex Guantanamo Detainee Moazzam Begg Tells British Muslims To Learn Martial Arts

CAGE/Moazzam Begg

by LIAM DEACON8 Feb 2016

Moazzam Begg, the former Guantanamo Bay detainee and chairman of the ex-Gitmo detainees group CAGE, has advised British Muslims to train themselves in martial arts and “self defence” in preparation for inter-religious conflict in Britain.

He told his followers on Facebook: “My sincere advice to all brothers but especially sisters who are facing the increasing threat of being targeted, attacked, abused and even abducted on the streets: make serous efforts in learning self-defence.

“Be it MMA, Wing Chun, kickboxing, jujitsu, Muay Thai, Kali or simply basic evasion and defensive techniques, dedicate several hours a week in learning to avoid, escape from and, when necessary, defend against attacks against your person – or others.”

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Mr. Begg’s Facebook post

Mr. Begg has been arrested and quizzed a number of times on terror-related offences in the past few years since returning from Guantanamo Bay. When inside the terrorist prison, he signed a confession stating that he was an Al Qaeda recruiter.

He has denied any connections to Al Qaeda since returning to the UK and has been cleared of all crimes. However, he continues to admit being at Islamic training camps in the Middle East and has maintained strong Islamist links here in the UK.

His organisation, CAGE, which represents former Guantanamo Bay inmates, has described ISIS executioner Jihadi John as a “beautiful young man” and campaigns against the government’s anti terror laws.

“Fighting back is always a last resort, something all martial arts teach but, considering anti-Muslim attacks are on the rise, some media will keep fuelling them, some politicians will keep stoking them and some thugs will feel justified in doing the rest, there is little choice but to be prepared”, he wrote.

Adding: “May Allah protect everyone from the evils of violent thugs and grant them the strength and ability to save themselves and others from their fear-mongering and violence.”

Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on February 23, 2017 at 17:51

British Isis suicide bomber 'was former Guantanamo Bay inmate paid £1m compensation'

Family identifies Manchester born Muslim convert Jamal al-Harith as man Isis claims blew himself up in Mosul

abu-zakariya-al-britani.jpgThe terror group's Amaq news agency released a picture of a grinning al-Britani sat in his explosives-laden vehicle Twitter

A British Isis fighter who carried out a suicide bombing attack in Iraq was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee reportedly paid £1m in compensation from the British Government after his release.

The bomber, named by the terror group as Abu Zakariya al-Britani, is said to have blown himself up in an explosives-laden vehicle in a village south of Mosul.

Isis claimed there had been many casualties, though this has not been officially confirmed, and released a picture of a grinning al-Britani. 

Isis claims British suicide bomber carried out attack near Mosul

The group later released a video showing a car driving down the road, which then cuts to footage of a plume of smoke rising in the distance.

The 50-year-old, also known as Jamal al-Harith, was suspected of terrorism by the Americans but freed from the US detention centre in 2004 after lobbying by the British government.

He reportedly alleged torture and successfully claimed compensation of £1m after alleging British agents were complicit in his mistreatment.

Iraqi forces launch push to retake western Mosul from IS

The Muslim convert, from Manchester, was born Ronald Fiddler, according to the BBC.

He turned to Islam in the 1990s and travelled to the Pakistani city of Quetta in 2001 for what he claimed was a religious holiday.

He has insisted he tried to enter Iran when the US invaded neighbouring Afghanistan, but was captured and imprisoned by the Taliban on suspicion of being a British spy.

Once released by Northern Alliance soldiers in 2002, he was sent to Guantanamo Bay in the belief he would have "knowledge of Taliban treatment of prisoners and interrogation tactics".

US authorities later thought he was "probably involved in a former terrorist attack against the US".

However he was released after two years after campaigning from Tony Blair's government.

At the time of his release, then Home Secretary David Blunkett said: "No one who is returned... will actually be a threat to the security of the British people."

The terrorist's brother, Leon Jameson, 53, identified him as the man equipped with explosives in the Isis propaganda video.

Mr Jameson told The Times his brother had "wasted his life" and added: "It is him, I can tell by his smile."

Former prime minister Tony Blair came under fire for the reported lobbying by his government for the Guantanamo Bay prisoner's release.

The Daily Mail quoted Tory MP Tim Loughton as saying: "So much for Tony Blair's assurances that this extremist did not pose a security threat.

"He clearly was a risk to Britain and our security all along.

"It adds insult to injury that he was given £1 million in compensation because of Blair's flawed judgement that he was an innocent."

Responding to the criticism, Mr Blair said it was correct that al-Harith was released from Guantanamo at the request of the British Government in 2004, but added: "He was not paid compensation by my Government. The compensation was agreed in 2010 by the Conservative Government."

He said: "The fact is that this was always a very difficult situation where any Government would have to balance proper concern for civil liberties with desire to protect our security, and we were likely to be attacked whatever course we took."

A spokesman for the Prime Minister would not answer questions on Ms May's role in al-Harith's release from Guantanamo or compensation paid to him, claiming it was an intelligence matter.

Around 850 individuals of national security concern have travelled to join the conflict, according to figures published by the Government last year.

Of those, just under half have returned to the UK and approximately 15 per cent are dead.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: "The UK has advised for some time against all travel to Syria, and against all travel to large parts of Iraq.

"As all UK consular services are suspended in Syria and greatly limited in Iraq, it is extremely difficult to confirm the whereabouts and status of British nationals in these areas."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-isis-suicide...

Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on February 23, 2017 at 17:54

So, our traitor government now isn't just paying Muslim gangs benefits so they are free to pimp and rape kuffar children, they are now paying Islamists £1m each to blow us up.  Who is the real enemy?

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