The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation

Fightback by Theology


Fightback by Theology

For discussion of 4 Freedoms issues in theology - Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

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Location: Kinana
Members: 52
Latest Activity: Jun 14

Key Info

  • A phobia is defined as an irrational fear of something. To fear Islam is not irrational, for the very nature of Islam is irrational - Danny Jeffrey
  • It seems that Western Christians can scarcely contain their indifference to the persecution of the Coptic Christians - Heather Gilbert

Discussion Forum

Apartheid in Life and in Death

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Mar 15. 2 Replies

Ahmadiyya Muslims

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Nov 27, 2016. 2 Replies

Quran 9.5: qualified or not?

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Jun 12, 2016. 24 Replies

The Sunni Theory of Government

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 8, 2016. 5 Replies

Colour coding the Koran

Started by ECAW. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 2, 2015. 20 Replies

Did Lee Rigby’s killers betray Islam?

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana May 19, 2015. 2 Replies

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Comment by Antony on June 14, 2017 at 6:28
Comment by Antony on June 13, 2017 at 12:12
Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 7, 2017 at 10:45

Just look at the crime statistics, people of European descent have every reason not to want to become discriminated minorities in their own homelands. Anyone that is not terrified of Islam and  its followers is willfully ignorant and bent on suicide.

Comment by Antony on May 6, 2017 at 9:48
Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 8, 2017 at 16:51

My comment:

I do not believe in God or anything supernatural. However I do find the Muslims to be more dangerous to my personal safety and freedom to express myself than the Christians are. Therefore, although I do not agree with all of his policies, I support Trump. Because I would support anyone that promised and endeavoured to protect me from islamic violence and coercion. I believe that Christianity and religion is dying out, science offers the only reasonable way to think and science is only about physical reality. There are always going to be superstitious and ignorant people, and people without the intellect to understand how ridiculous religion is. Just as for the foreseeable future there will be crime and violence. There is such a thing as human nature and I recommend the book “The Intelligence Paradox” by Satoshi Kanazawa, who is an evolutionary psychologist. We must never underestimate an enemy of course and have to continue to bash Christianity and defend science, but Islam is at present the greatest threat that civilization faces. As an ideology it is sworn to destroy us with violence.

I am a right-wing conservative.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 25, 2017 at 21:51

Queen's Chaplain Who Questioned Quran Prayers in Cathedral Steps Down After Attempts to 'Silence, Defenestrate' Him

Comment by Antony on January 23, 2017 at 14:44
Comment by Alan Lake on January 5, 2017 at 23:41

Islamist Attacks Have Nothing to Do With Religion, Says Italian Bishop

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 28, 2016 at 10:15

Young white people feel betrayed and discriminated against and will be increasingly looking for leaders that are willing to set things right. It is about race. Europeans conquered America and European-Americans built America, they are America. And only people of European descent can truly assimilate into American Culture. African-Americans, Muslim-Americans and Mexican-Americans have each their own language, traditions and way of being. They have separate and distinct ethnic identities that cannot assimilate into American-Culture. There are individual exceptions that can be pointed to of those that do integrate and become American, but the rule is that the majority of minority members remain faithful to their own culture and regard White-americans to be competitors. If the members of the European-American culture become just another large minority there will no longer be an America. Where once there was a recognisable nation, there will be a territory riddled with and divided by ethnic-conflict.

I do not defend Christianity, the so-called Chistian values are just ideas that ca be arrived at by any thinking and reflecting person. They were not given by god it is just normal human common sense that makes rules of morality.

Is it right to kill.

What attitudes should we have to sex and marriage.

Is theft wrong.

We make our own rules as societies out from what suits that particular society. Involving some sort of imagined supernatural dimension is irrelevant

Comment by Antony on November 28, 2016 at 8:38

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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