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Fightback by Theology


Fightback by Theology

For discussion of 4 Freedoms issues in theology - Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

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Location: Kinana
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Key Info

  • A phobia is defined as an irrational fear of something. To fear Islam is not irrational, for the very nature of Islam is irrational - Danny Jeffrey
  • It seems that Western Christians can scarcely contain their indifference to the persecution of the Coptic Christians - Heather Gilbert

Discussion Forum

Pope Francis: Enemy of Christianity and Europe

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake on Wednesday. 30 Replies

Maajid Nawaz on Islam vs Islamism?

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Sep 7, 2021. 15 Replies

Discussing the Texts of Islam

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 23, 2020. 2 Replies

Robert Spencer on Antifa

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Antony Jul 5, 2019. 2 Replies

Sri Lankan Terror Easter 2019

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Jun 30, 2019. 4 Replies

Islam: A Culture of Rape

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Nov 28, 2018. 1 Reply

Ahmadiyya Muslims

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 23, 2018. 6 Replies

Collective Punishment

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 10, 2018. 1 Reply

Apartheid in Life and in Death

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Mar 15, 2017. 2 Replies

Quran 9.5: qualified or not?

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Jun 12, 2016. 24 Replies

The Sunni Theory of Government

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 8, 2016. 5 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on August 7, 2023 at 17:10

I've heard about this before. Yes. Some of these modern sociologists and psychologists are truly evil people. 

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 6, 2023 at 14:42
The Monster Behind Gender Theory, and the Atrocious Lie He Based It On.
(How disgusting and destructive "Social Constructs" theories are. The way lies are accepted as truths time and time again is a wonder to behold).

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 31, 2023 at 14:37

Absolute truth is verifiable fact.
Belief in God is not rational. For God to be an absolute truth it would have to be possible to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that God does factually exist. Any discussion about God is pure speculation about something imagined to be.
What many call truth is in fact not true. If you have to believe in something then at least believe in something that benefits you and increases your well-being.
I believe in nationalism and patriotism because I want to live in and know from experience that I want to live in a nation that has a clear racial and cultural identity. Which for me is an England populated by Englishmen and a Europe populated entirely by Europeans.
I believe it to be true that the Nation State is the only Unit of humanity that can function and prosper. That being due to a common unifying identity and sense of belonging that inspires to loyalty and lawfulness. Order, Satisfaction, Prosperity and Comfort.

Comment by Antony on July 31, 2023 at 9:57

Chris Langan - The Sustained Attack Against Absolute Truth (public) ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 25, 2023 at 15:32

The Greek Gods were aspects of human psychology embodied.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 25, 2023 at 15:30
#27: 7th-Century ROCK INSCRIPTIONS Debunk Islam!
Allah when translated used to mean "every god in any religion", not just one God called Allah specifically.
Islam like Christianity and every other religion evolved and is a fiction. People will believe anything if it is said convincingly enough. Religions are made up as they go along.
A false concept of truth can be debunked if you possess factual evidence that opposes it.
Believers indulge in perpetual self-indoctrination.
Gods used to be tribal and male and female. Products of ages of superstitious ignorance and ettempts to understand and explain the unknown.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 14, 2023 at 12:05

I despise religion because it is all a big lie. However I take the billions of people that believe these lies very seriously. Some like me exploit the religious for selfish gains.

Comment by Antony on May 14, 2023 at 10:07


Comment by Antony on April 29, 2023 at 13:46

Debt and the Collapse of Antiquity - covers early Christianity ;

Comment by Kinana on January 20, 2023 at 12:50

From Michael Knowles re the previous story 


A professor, Dr. Erica Lopez, has just lost her job because she showed a picture of Muhammad in a course on Islamic art. Islamic art. Muhammad. You would think that these things go together. But most people know that Muslims find images of physical depictions of Muhammad to be sacrilegious. And the teacher acknowledged this fairly; she gave a warning beforehand and said, “Hey, some people might find this offensive, but it's a course on Islamic art.” Of course, a student complained to school leaders who then decided to fire the teacher. The reason? “Respect for the observant Muslim students in that classroom should have superseded academic freedom.”

Now, you’ll hear a lot of conservatives say that this is outrageous and that nothing should supersede academic freedom… but that’s not my point of view. I don't think there's any such thing as academic freedom. I don't think teachers have a right to teach whatever they want in the classroom. I do, however, think that this professor had a right and, frankly, an obligation to present these images in a course on Islamic art. But I'm not denying that Muslim students might have been offended and they might have considered it sacrilegious. And I think it would be a good thing in this country if we offered people of different religious views far greater respect than we do in our extremely atheistic culture. But we can't just ban images of Muhammad in Islamic art classrooms.

I promise you, a teacher could get up and blaspheme Jesus, could mock the God of the Bible, could say it's all a ridiculous, stupid, made-up story contrived by a bunch of lunatics who were afraid of a magical sky daddy, and you wouldn't hear boo about it. But it is politically incorrect to, in any way, disparage an image of Muhammad, or in any way to transgress some practice of Islam. Forget about Christianity. Forget about Judaism. That's the only reason they did it. They're not doing it to protect Muslims. They're doing it to protect political correctness.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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