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Can Islam be Revised and Updated?

Apologists for Islam often dismiss its depredations and the hate, discrimination and violence of its texts, by saying it will modernise and…

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The real Islam

Since our leaders started telling us what is not the real Islam I've become interested in trying to identify what the real Islam is. I know…

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Taking Statements of Islamic-Fascism Seriously: Hizb ut Tahir's Manifesto

In the 27 years since it was formed, Hizb ut Tahrir have not been opposed by any left-wing political group in Britain (so much for them bei…

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Pope Francis: Enemy of Christianity and Europe

You can find older articles about Pope Francis in the previous forum:

Started by Alan Lake

37 Oct 31
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Maajid Nawaz on Islam vs Islamism?

The latest example of the mis-direction and obfuscation of Islam comes from Camden MP hopeful Maajid Nawaz who demands that UKIP condemn my…

Started by Kinana

15 Sep 7, 2021
Reply by Philip Smeeton

The historical veracity of Islam and Mohammed

Started by Alan Lake

2 Feb 20, 2021
Reply by Joe

Discussing the Texts of Islam

Tommy now has a website up, relating to his book Mohammed's Koran - Why Muslims Kill For Islam.  The website contains 5 different translati…

Started by Joe

2 Nov 23, 2020
Reply by Alan Lake

Muslim woman beats girl of 10 'for prayer'

Sometimes life mirrors the script in quite some detail. “The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Command a boy to pray when he reaches the ag…

Started by Kinana

8 Oct 24, 2019
Reply by Kinana

Robert Spencer on Antifa

American Anti-Jihad Author Confronts ANTIFA In Stuttgart, Germany WRITTEN BY: ROBERT SPENCER PUBLISHED ON: JULY 3, 2019 Antifa is much in t…

Started by Kinana

2 Jul 5, 2019
Reply by Antony

Sri Lankan Terror Easter 2019

This is the standard definition of Quran 9:29. "YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden w…

Started by Kinana

4 Jun 30, 2019
Reply by Kinana

Islam: A Culture of Rape

By Amil Imani - on November 27, 2018 Rape is a cruel violation of a helpless victim. In addition to the physical torment involved, rape re…

Started by Kinana

1 Nov 28, 2018
Reply by Kinana

Ahmadiyya Muslims

It is time to give this group of Muslims their own Discussion group! These are the peaceful, moderate, loving Muslims, the alternative to t…

Started by Kinana

6 Oct 23, 2018
Reply by Alan Lake

Propaganda vs Pedagogy: The Teaching of Islam to Children

Intro to letter re ISEB Revision Guide I came across a Study Guide for primary school pupils recently. I went to the section on Islam and…

Started by Kinana

27 May 20, 2018
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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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