Colour coding the Koran

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Permalink Reply by Kinana on April 29, 2015 at 10:10

Highlighting certain themes through the use of colour is a good idea.  i started doing that with jew hatred and the words: Kill or killing or related words.  Then i found my Quran too marked up!

However, words in the Quran point to certain theological themes which need some spelling out which is what i try to do here:

http://4freedoms.com/group/tiles

The larger problem however, is getting non-muslims to read it and to understand Islam.  Any effort beyond Face Book one-liners is beyond many people but those of us who are inclined to do so need to help others.  A much larger educational effort is required on the part of Governments but that is a long time coming.  In the meantime we do what we can including using colour coding!

Permalink Reply by shiva on April 29, 2015 at 17:32

 My self I think color coding is a good idea for personal use, but for the general public no. This is because their concentration span is to short.

 Myself I have download several page from the Prophet of Doom site which has the relevant verses and hadithes for killing! war and jihad etc, I find this is useful., though. Wynn Graig does take some liberties with the translation. Also I have bookmarked the link to the Saudi site,s koran, so as to get more accurate translation.

 What  I think more effective is leaflets with a powerful image with an appropriate verse or hadithes.

Permalink Reply by Joe on April 29, 2015 at 23:56

Being the contrarian I am, I don't see the point in colour-coding the koran.

We need to simplify what people need to understand.  And all they need to understand are 5 principles:

1. the koran is mixed-up & contradictory

2. the contradictions are resolved by later (chronological) principles which replace earlier ones which they contradict

3. the koran has been put in chronological order by muslims

4. the last 3 chapters of the chronological koran command the subjugation and killing of non-muslims

5. the last murderous words of Mohammed vis-a-vis non-muslims are never contradicted in the final chapter

These simple principles are all we need to object to islam based on its murderous kuffarphobia.  We don't need to even bog people down in the hadiths or the sira (IMO this is the weakness of much of Bill Warner's method).

Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on April 30, 2015 at 1:40

I also am doubtful of this, yet another big piece of work, with a shortage of eager slaves to take it up, and dubious benefits.

In addition to the points made above, Bill Warner has already devoted a large part of his life to simplifying and codifying the Quran, etc, and even has stats on the percentage of words on the Kaffir, the percentage of statements prescribing violence, etc.

But of course, if someone wants to take that task on, and even get it printed, be my guest!

Permalink Reply by ECAW on May 1, 2015 at 14:31

Thanks for your comments, the negative ones as much as the positive. I remain undeterred, and the Dutchman and I intend to experiment with a small scale pilot scheme to see whether we think it worth taking further..

Shiva - by the Saudi version do you mean this:

http://www.noblequran.com/translation/index.html

I don't think that's the most accurate translation, in fact they add quite a bit that isn't there in the original, for instance

8:60 And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy...

I use this one quite a lot now because it has a word for word version which I go to first:

http://www.islamawakened.com/index.php/qur-an

Permalink Reply by shiva on May 1, 2015 at 20:24

ECAW said:

Shiva - by the Saudi version do you mean this:

http://www.noblequran.com/translation/index.html

I don't think that's the most accurate translation, in fact they add quite a bit that isn't there in the original, for instance

8:60 And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy...

No that is not what I mean. Also I did not say the Saudia version was the most accurate, What i said was it was a more accurate translation than the Graig Wynn,s that used to be in Craig Wynn,s Prophet of Doom site

I prefer the Saudi version for tactical reasons, seeing that Saudi is the birth place of islam. Yep, more like coming from the camels mouth, so to speek

Also I used
some of the the pages in my old blog "Illustrated PIG to Islam"

SICK Al-Anfal 8.39 

Al-Anfal 8.39

{39}

وَقَاتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ كُلُّهُ لِلَّهِ فَإِنِ انْتَهَوْا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ بِمَا يَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرٌ

And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

Although the Battle of Badr was little more than a civil skirmish, it signaled the beginning of the Islamic expansion. The Islamic Prophet Muhammad himself died in 632.

Over the next 120 years, however, his followers would go on to take not only Mecca and the Arabian Peninsula, but lands from Spain in the west to the borders of China and India in the east. It was one of the most bloodiest conquests the world has ever seen, and continues to impact geopolitics to this day - and it all started at the Battle of Badr.

Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on May 2, 2015 at 8:29

Good luck ECAW!  Altho it will be hard to increase kuffar readership of the Quran, a colour coded version will certainly help, and be easier  to read.

Also, it will make it harder for quislings like Tony Blair to say they've read the whole Quran and couldn't find anything violent in it!

But why not use Bill Warners version, which has the verses in date order so it makes more sense? That could be a double win.

Permalink Reply by ECAW on May 2, 2015 at 8:53

Thanks Alan

Yes, I think we've agreed to use the Pickthall translation (pretty standard and more succinct than most) but in chronological order to show Mo getting meaner and nastier over time, and perhaps another page for the traditional ordering.

I experimented with sura 9 yesterday colour coding in Word and it only took a couple of hours which I thought was encouraging. The main problem of course will be getting it under people's noses.

Permalink Reply by ECAW on May 28, 2015 at 18:47

The Dutchman and I couldn't agree about how a website should look so we went our separate ways. Fortunately I made contact with others who were interested, including someone who knew how to create a website. This is what we came up with. Any comments or suggestions gratefully received.

http://www.koran-at-a-glance.com/

Permalink Reply by Joe on May 28, 2015 at 19:36

It seems possible that it would serve as a more convincing visual argument if the verses were listed in a single chronological order, perhaps also connected to a timeline of events.

http://www.qran.org/q-chrono.htm

Perhaps provide the above link.  On the whole, most "educated" people I've argued with will not even accept that such chronological orderings of the koran are not bogus.  Most muslims will also claim such chronological orderings are bogus.  The majority of muslims are probably genuinely ignorant of the chronological orderings of the koran.

Most "educated" people don't even know the basic outline of Mohammed's timeline. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/8660781/The-Life-of-M...

When I first got involved in this 5 or 6 years ago, I didn't believe people who told me that Aisha was 9 years old when Mohammed had sex with her.  That is what you are up against.

I can see why you think/hope that a visual demonstration such as your colorised koran would be persuasive.  But I don't think most people are ready to swallow the red pill.

At the British Museum exhibition on the Hajj a few years ago, the single exhibit which had the kafirs staring in slack-jawed disbelief, was the life-size apartheid motorway sign, directing kafirs away from Mecca.  The museum staff were going through the throng desperately trying to stop people from taking photographs of this sign. I think the liberal luvvies of the British museum thought there was no problem showing this living example of apartheid.  

That is what we are up against. I doubt that even those gawking liberals taking photos of that sign have bothered to go off and do anything about the islamisation of the UK.

Permalink Reply by ECAW on May 28, 2015 at 20:16

I see the About page has disappeared, leaving only a stub. Sorry about that. I'm told that KompoZer can be a bit flaky from time to time.

Permalink Reply by Alan Lake on May 29, 2015 at 6:12

Yes, it has several uses.  For a start, merely by scrolling thru the sections online, you can see a clear change between the Meccan and Medinan sections.  Also, it would be great to have this with you at a debate.  Then when the Muslim/apologist lies, as usual, and denies that Muslims see themselves as the master race, above the Kuffar, just start reeling off verse after verse that warrants that belief.  The same thing can be done when the Muslim/apologist lies about the nature of Jihad in Islam.

A quick glance at Sura 9 made me doubt the coding of ayas 24 to 26.  Its not demonstrably clear that those verse endorse Jihad against the kuffar, or say there are no excuses for staying at home instead of fighting.  It's very important not to weaken and dilute one's argument with weak cases because:

1. It's a distracting waste of time, because the Muslim will then go into lengthy discussions of the Quran and context, etc.  You want to use such strong cases that you can just shut him up when he starts, with "It says what it says. It says 'kill the Kuffar', so I really don't care what other context you can find for it.  Or is it OK if I say 'kill the Muslim', just like that, and copy you?"
2. It's a weakness of argument, because the Muslim will then tell the audience that since your one weak case has been shown to be untrustworthy, your whole set of cases should not be trusted.
3. It's not necessary.  We already have thousands of cases of vile verses in their holy, holy scriptures, together with hundreds of thousands of vile depredations by Muslims, justified by those verses.  So no point in scraping around trying to increase the vileness count.  It's already big enough!

So I suggest you be a bit more parsimonious with the labelling.

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