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Roshonara Choudhry, a Muslim, 21, was convicted of attempted murder on 2 November 2010.  The next day she was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum term of 15 years.


The attack on 14 May 2010 happened at a local constituency meeting in Beckton, East London.  In an effort to murder him she twice stabbed the Labour MP Stephen Timms, 55, who has since made a full recovery.


Roshonara Choudhry did not speak at all to Mr Timms on 14 May.  She smiled, shook his hand in a normal gesture of friendliness then she stabbed him twice.


What motivated this young and intelligent woman?


In November 2009, Choudhry began downloading more than 100 hours of sermons and lectures by Anwar al-Awlaki in which he preached the need for ‘violent action to combat the atrocities of the West against Muslims around the world’.


He has claimed: ‘Assassinations, bombings, and acts of arson are all legitimate forms of revenge against a system that relishes the sacrilege of Islam in the name of
freedom.’


In interviews with police, Choudhry explained how she had stumbled across his ­teachings on YouTube.


She said: ‘I wasn’t searching for him, I just came across him. 


‘He explains things really comprehensively and in an interesting way so I thought I could learn a lot from him.


‘I was also surprised at how little I knew about my religion so that motivated me to learn more.’


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Choudhry was interviewed by detectives Simon Dobinson and Syed Hussain. In this extract from the transcript she tells them she dropped out in the third year of an English
and communications degree at King’s College London.


Choudhry: I was the top student.


Question:Was you? OK and what did they say when you pulled out?


Choudhry: They didn’t want me to pull out.


Question: Tell me what happened today.


Choudhry: I stabbed Stephen Timms.


Question:You stabbed Stephen Timms?


Choudhry: Yep. I’ve been learning more about Islam.


Question:Where have you been learning that?


Choudhry: Internet.


Question:What websites you been looking at?


Choudhry: I’ve been listening to lectures by Anwar al-Awlaki.


Question:Who’s he?


Choudhry: He’s an Islamic scholar. He lives in Yemen.


Question:And where have you been listening to these lectures?


Choudhry: I downloaded it off of the internet … explaining stories from the Koran and explaining about jihad.


Question: Has that contributed to your decision to leave King’s?


Choudhry: Yes.


Question:And where was the link there then?


Choudhry: I thought that I should have loyalty to my Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine and so I should leave King’s and that would show my loyalty to them.


Question: So when did you decide: ‘From what I’ve learnt, I’m now gonna go and stab Stephen Timms?’


Choudhry: A couple of weeks ago. It’s three weeks ago, four weeks ago.


Question: How do you feel now about what you’ve done today?


Choudhry: I feel like I did what I’d planned to do.


Question: Tell me your thoughts about what you’ve done.


Choudhry: I feel like I’ve ruined the rest of my life. I feel like it’s worth it because millions of Iraqis are suffering and I should do what I can to help them and
not just be inactive and do nothing while they suffer.


Question: I just want to go over a little bit how your thought has gone from getting to religion to wanting some form of vengeance.


Choudhry: Because as Muslims we’re all brothers and sisters and we should all look out for each other and we shouldn’t sit back and do nothing while others suffer. We shouldn’t allow the people who oppress us to get away with it and to think that
they can do whatever they want to us and we’re just gonna lie down and take it.


Question: Where did you learn that from?


Choudhry: From listening to his [Anwar al-Awlaki] lectures.


Question: How did you feel about what you was about to do?


Choudhry: I was a bit nervous about what I was gonna do but I felt like it had to be done and it’s the right thing to do.


Question: What, what did you think about getting killed then?


Choudhry: I wanted to die.


Question: Why?


Choudhry: I wanted to be a martyr.


Question: Why’s that then?


Choudhry: ‘Cos, erm, that’s the best way to die.


Question: Who told you that?


Choudhry: Islamic teaching.


Question: Where did you learn that?


Choudhry: It’s in the Koran and I learnt it from listening to lectures.


Question: What lectures?


Choudhry: By Anwar al-Awlaki.


Question: Why did you pick an MP to carry out this attack?


Choudhry: Because he was directly involved with the declaration of war, so he’d directly committed a crime.


Question: What do you think about what you’ve done?


Choudhry: I’ve fulfilled my obligation, my Islamic duty to stand up for the people of lraq and to punish someone who wanted to make war with them.


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After the attack, she coolly told police: ''I just pushed it (the knife) in like how it is if you punch someone.


'I was trying to kill him because he wanted to invade Iraq.


'I was not going to stop (stabbing him) until someone made me.


'I wanted to kill him. I was hoping to get revenge for the people in Iraq.'


Mr Timms told the jury that he initially thought she was going to shake his hand when the woman, wearing a full Muslim black dress and headscarf, approached him.


He said: 'She didn't go and sit down as she continued to come towards me where I was standing to greet her at that point.


'I thought she must have been coming to shake my hand. She made as if she was coming to do that. She looked friendly. She was smiling, if I remember rightly.’


Choudhry, arrived at the Beckton Globe community centre at 2pm armed with a three inch kitchen knife and a longer five inch blade she had stashed in her bag hidden in a scarf and towel.


When she was interviewed by police, Choudhry is said to have remained chillingly calm, telling officers she had been planning to kill the MP for three or four weeks
and had bought two knives at the end of April ‘in case one broke.’


She told Detective Inspector Simon Dobinson: 'I made an appointment to see him and I went there and then when I was shaking his hand I stabbed him.'


'I purposefully walked round the side of the desk so I could get close to him so I could, yeah, stab him.


'He pointed for me to sit down on the chair but instead I walked towards him with my left hand out as if I wanted to shake his hand.


'Then I pulled the knife out of my bag in my right hand and I hit him in the stomach with it.


'I put it in the top part of his stomach.


'I just pushed it in like how it is if you punch someone.


'I was trying to kill him because he wanted to invade Iraq.'


Asked why, she answered: "Punishment."


'I think I stabbed him again. I think I did it twice. I tried to attack him again and then everyone starting to scream,' she told detectives.


When asked what she was thinking or feeling, Choudhry replied: 'I was not feeling anything'.


When questioned why she stabbed him in the stomach, Choudhry said: 'I am not that strong.  I thought that the stomach would be soft enough to get the knife in.' 


'He shouted at me "What was that for?" I think I stabbed him again. I think I did it twice. I tried to attack him again. People started to scream.'


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Anwar al-Awlaki


Thousands of postings featuring Awlaki's videos are available to view online.


In one sermon, entitled 44 Ways To Support Jihad, he says: 'Jihad today is obligatory on every capable Muslim'.


She had been a moderate [sic] Muslim student looking forward to a career in teaching before watching the videos.


Indeed, in a chillingly frank interview with detectives just hours after the stabbing, she would say of al-Awlaki: ‘Everybody listens to him and likes him.’


In November 2009, Choudhry began downloading more than 100 hours of sermons and lectures by Anwar al-Awlaki in which he preached the need for ‘violent action to combat the atrocities of the West against Muslims around the world’.


He has claimed: ‘Assassinations, bombings, and acts of arson are all legitimate forms of revenge against a system that relishes the sacrilege of Islam in the name of
freedom.’


Choudhry would watch two of the lectures a day and finished the complete set in the first week of May, days before the attack.


Choudhry revealed that at the time of the Iraq war she did not have particularly strong feelings about the conflict. But she said that had changed when she had learned, via the
lectures of another cleric, Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, on the internet, that as a Muslim she had an ‘obligation’ to defend the people of Iraq.


She said: ‘When a Muslim land is attacked it becomes obligatory on every man, woman and child and even slave to go out and fight and defend the land and the Muslims.’


She said: ‘He [Timms] very strongly agreed with the invasion of Iraq and they (the website) worked out all his votes related to that and it came to something like 99.9 per cent support or something like that.’


How did that make you feel, Choudhry was asked?


‘That made me feel angry because the whole Iraq war is just based on lies and he voted strongly for everything as though he had no mercy,’ she said. ‘I just felt like if he could treat the Iraqi people so mercilessly, then why should I show him any
mercy?’


What made her think that it was her ‘place’ to go and stab him?


‘Because I’m a Muslim and all Muslims are brothers and sisters. So if he attacked them, then he’s likely to attack me too.’


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Her attack on the former Treasury minister is thought to be the first Al Qaeda-inspired attempt to assassinate a politician on British soil.


The defendant refused to appear in court for her trial and instructed her lawyers not to offer any evidence in her defence or cross-examine any witnesses.


Mr Justice Cooke, sentencing Choudhry, said: 'You do not suffer from any mental disease. You have simply committed evil acts coolly and deliberately'.


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[Compiled from reports in the Daily Mail, London UK, 2 – 6 November 2010]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk

Tags: Anwar al-Awlaki, Kinana, Roshonara Choudhry, Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, Timms

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"The defendant refused to appear in court for her trial"

Its incidents like this, which are happening more frequently with criminals of all types now, which make me doubt the survivability of Western democracies in their current (decadent) form.

Non attendance at trial is not a right. I would be happy to see anyone who refuses to attend the court, and fights violently when taken from their cell, be executed. This madness (of the state no longer having any authority over anyone) has to stop sometime, and it will take a kind of madness to do it.


Roshonara Choudhry
War is Deceit
Bukhari (004.052.268)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle called,: "War is deceit". (During the battle of the Trench, Mohammed said to a recent convert, turned spy: ‘You are only one man among us, so go and awake distrust among the enemy to draw them off us if you can, for war is deceit.’ (Ibn Ishaq, 458))

The past is present.

2010

Mr Timms: 'I thought she must have been coming to shake my hand. She made as if she was coming to do that. She looked friendly. She was smiling, if I remember rightly.’

Roshonara Choudhry: 'I made an appointment to see him and I went there and then when I was shaking his hand I stabbed him.'

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Then he (Kab bin al-Ashraf) composed amatory verses of an insulting nature about the Muslim women.  The Apostle (Mohammed) said…’Who will rid me of Ibnul-Ashraf?’  Muhammad bin Maslama, brother of the Bani Addu’l-Ashhal, said, ‘I will deal with him for you, O Apostle of God, I will kill him.’  ‘Do so if you can.’… ‘All that is incumbent on you is that you should try… ‘ He (Muhammad bin Maslama) said, ‘O Apostle of God, we shall have to tell lies.’  He (Mohammed) answered, ‘Say what you like, for you are free in the matter.’

Sira 367

 

Having gained Ka’b’s trust, Muhammad bin Maslama and the men with him were admitted into Ka’b’s presence.  To get close enough to Ka’b to be able to kill, Muhammad bin Maslama professed to admire Ka’b’s perfume: “I have never smelt a better scent than this…Will you allow me to smell your head?”  Ka’b agreed; Muhammad bin Maslama’s companions smelled it also.  Muhammad bin Maslama thereupon caught Ka’b in a stong grip, and commanded his companions: “Get at him!”  They killed Ka’b, and then hurried to inform the Prophet, carrying Ka’b’s head with them.  (Bukhari vol. 5. book 64, no. 4037; Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369)

When Mohammed heard the news, he cried out, ‘Allahu akbar!’ and praised Allah for the death of his enemy.  (Ibn Sa’d vol. II. 37)

This came too late for Labour MP Stephen Timms

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ITN, itn.co.uk, Updated: 30/09/2011 16:42

US-born cleric linked to al-Qaeda killed

The US-born radical Islamic cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, has been killed in a CIA drone strike in Yemen, according to US officials.

Experts say his death deprives al-Qaeda of an eloquent propagandist in English and Arabic and who was implicated in attacks on the United States.

One US official said: "He planned and directed attacks against the United States. In addition, Awlaki publicly urged attacks against US persons and interests worldwide and called for violence against Arab governments he judged to be working against al-Qaeda."

The Foreign Secretary William Hague said: “If confirmed, the death of Anwar al-Awlaki is another significant blow to al-Qaeda. With the attempted Detroit bombing and the aeroplane cargo bomb plots he has demonstrated his intent and ability to cause mass terror, whilst his murderous ideology was responsible for inspiring terrorist attacks in the UK and the US.

"We must keep up the pressure on al-Qaeda and its allies and remain vigilant to the threat we face”, he added.

Michael Ryan, Senior Fellow at the Jamestown Foundation said: "Removing Awlaki is an important accomplishment because of his ability to speak on the internet in a familiar American accent. He sounded normal even as he was saying outrageous things."

Earlier in his career, Awlaki preached at mosques in the United States attended by some of the hijackers involved in the September 11 attacks of 2001.

http://news.uk.msn.com/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=159355914

 

 

King's College, London is one of the top universities in Britain (certainly in the top 30%).  Choudary was in line to get a 1st class degree, and was considered very intelligent by her tutors.  Water-carriers for islamo-fascism in prominent positions in the UK explained away her actions by saying she was clearly stupid.  http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/11/iraq-lectures...

 

War is deceit.  And the deceivers have very prominent positions.

For me this story, below, from the BBC connects with this discussion about Roshonara Choudhry in two ways. 

1. Again terror cleric Anwar al Awlaki is at the centre of these arrests.  Though recently executed (link) his influence is still with us.  The document ‘44 Ways to Support Jihad’ seems to have been a best ‘seller’ amongst jihadi types.  (At a future date I will summarise/review it.)  

Anwar al Awlaki was influential in guiding Roshonara Choudhry’s to attempt to murder MP Timms, as she readily admits.  I have not found any positive evidence to say that she possessed a copy of this book but it is likely since she was one his fans.  This book was published in January 2009 so it is likely as her murder attempt occurred in May 2010.

2. The story also reveals that

‘Mohammed Shabir Ali also faces charges of assisting another person to commit acts of terrorism.’  Could this person be Roshonara Choudhry?  Will this person be named when the case goes to court?  Both are from London and the time frame makes the link possible.  I do not know for sure of course, but what is clear is that terrorism has a world-wide ideological and ‘religious reach, and terrorists tend to know each other, support each other and commend jihad to each other.  It is a community with a common cause.  And London is one of its centres.

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4 April

BBC

Second man faces terror charges

Police have charged two men over terrorism offences which include possessing a document on jihad

A 24-year-old man has been charged with intending to assist acts of terrorism, Scotland Yard said.

Mohammed Shafiq Ali, of east London, is also accused of possessing a document called 44 Ways to Support Jihad, written by former terror chief Anwar al Awlaki.

It follows the charging of another man, Mohammed Shabir Ali, 24, from east London, with terrorism offences.

He is also accused of possessing the same document by al Awlaki.

Mohammed Shabir Ali also faces charges of assisting another person to commit acts of terrorism.

His offences are alleged to have taken place between 20 August, 2008 and 21 June last year.

BBC �� 2012

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17616223

R Choudhry is praised by Al-Qaeda here:

http://4freedoms.com/group/books/forum/topics/al-qaeda-inspire-maga...

The men of the umma are encouraged to follow her example so that they will ‘find success in the afterlife.’

The people of the west are being asked to believe there are two versions of Islam. As far as I know there is only one Koran, and any non Arabic version has to be authorised as being a authentic retelling. Then when people follow its teachings those that authorised it tell you they've misunderstood it.  That is apparently what al-Qaeda do. Even though they act on the teachings of the Arabic version.

So those that read and understand the Arabic version of the Koran, think Choudhry is a hero. And yet Choudhry doesn't speak Arabic. I think the government should realise there is only one Koran, and it doesn't matter what language it comes in, it leads to the same outcome.

Inspire magazine is illegal here in Britain. maybe the book that 'inspires' the magazine should be outlawed as well.

 

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