The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation

Fightback by Theology


Fightback by Theology

For discussion of 4 Freedoms issues in theology - Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

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Key Info

  • A phobia is defined as an irrational fear of something. To fear Islam is not irrational, for the very nature of Islam is irrational - Danny Jeffrey
  • It seems that Western Christians can scarcely contain their indifference to the persecution of the Coptic Christians - Heather Gilbert

Discussion Forum

Ahmadiyya Muslims

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 23. 6 Replies

Collective Punishment

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 10. 1 Reply

Discussing the Texts of Islam

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 8, 2017. 1 Reply

Maajid Nawaz on Islam vs Islamism?

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Joe May 11, 2017. 13 Replies

Apartheid in Life and in Death

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Mar 15, 2017. 2 Replies

Quran 9.5: qualified or not?

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Jun 12, 2016. 24 Replies

The Sunni Theory of Government

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 8, 2016. 5 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on August 6, 2018 at 19:04

Yes, we should legalise polygamy, FGM and perhaps wife beating as well.  At least that way we can say we are guilty of the single evil of cowardice in the face of Islam, as opposed to at the moment, when we are guilty of both cowardice AND dishonesty, by refusing to acknowledge our capitulation to Sharia values.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 6, 2018 at 15:24

Why not legalize muslim polygamy, we are already paying for all of the wives and children.

Comment by Kinana on August 6, 2018 at 13:48

Sharia law has been recognised by a British court for the first time after a judge made a landmark divorce ruling which could change the way Islamic marriage and divorce works in the UK. 

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 12, 2018 at 10:20

The first sentence in the introduction to this BBC documentary says it all- " one of the worlds great religions and the fanatics...(" was clear to most...."?). I have lost count of the number of times TV programmes have insulted my intellect, now I just count how many minorities are incongruously represented and see if they outnumber the majority whites, which they often do. You would expect a quota system to respect the actual demographic composition of a country like Britain, alas we British are treated as if we were an insignificant minority.

Comment by Alan Lake on June 12, 2018 at 4:38
Comment by Antony on June 6, 2018 at 19:24
Comment by Kinana on April 1, 2018 at 15:39

Comment by Alan Lake on March 16, 2018 at 13:44

Robert Spencer: why fundamentalist Muslims kill and enslave Christians:

Comment by Antony on March 5, 2018 at 9:36

Religion in the USA debate ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 24, 2018 at 17:41

Islam is of course a product of the mind of Mohammed (influenced by the culture he existed in). Just as all religions are the product of the imaginations of human beings. Fiction is devoutly and fanatically believed to be true and wise. Religious people have half the intellect of an agnostic (I'll believe it when I see it). All systems of belief are constructed, and do not correspond to fact and reality. Believe nothing unless it is capable of being proven to be true.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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