All Discussions Tagged 'Raymond Ibrahim' - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-29T06:21:44Zhttp://4freedoms.com/group/tiles/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=Raymond+Ibrahim&feed=yes&xn_auth=no09 No Compulsion in Religiontag:4freedoms.com,2009-10-28:3766518:Topic:73382009-10-28T16:37:21.000ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt; text-align: center;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 16pt;" xml:lang="EN-GB">No Compulsion in Religion</span></b></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-align: center;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;" xml:lang="EN-GB">The Verses of Al-Qaeda (part 3)…</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Theology</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-indent: 14.2pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">In a wide-ranging essay called ‘Moderate Islam is a Prostration to the West,’ authorised or written by Osama bin Laden, true religion (i.e. Islam) is compared to ‘moderate’ Islam and belief systems found in the West. His essay is a reply to Saudi Arabian Muslim scholars outreach to the West.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-indent: 14.2pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">The emphasis in one section by the SA scholars is exactly what people in the West want to hear: that there is ‘no compulsion in religion’ according to Islam. This Qur'anic verse is most often quoted to those who fear that Islam is a religion of domination. Quoting 2:256, the SA scholars say: ‘It is not permitted to coerce anyone regarding his religion.’ And conclude their point with: Thus Islam itself does not comport with coercion. (p. 40)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Osama bin Laden: ‘This is a distortion of truth with falsehood… There is no ambiguity there. The verse prohibits forcing people to change the faith of their hearts.’(p. 40) Apparently, even Islam/Allah recognises limits to its power.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-indent: 14.2pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">He adds: ‘Why not clarify what “renounces idolatry [or Satan]” means to the West? Therefore, just as our religion contains no coercion, so too does it stresses renouncing idolatry, and faith in Allah, in the manner of Abraham – peace upon him. Thus what they make the first part of the verse [say] does not agree with its conclusion.’</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-indent: 14.2pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">‘Furthermore, a number of exegetes…have said that this verse has been abrogated by the Word of Allah… (Above verses). Thus the [matter of] abrogation is conveyed by those who think that the ban has to do with forcefully placing them under the authority of the religion. But those who believe that [the ban] revolves around the beliefs of the heart find no contradiction between the verses.’(p. 41) So, <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">IF</b> the ban is about the externals of Islam then it has been abrogated and coercion becomes acceptable. But if it is about the ‘heart’ there is no coercion or contradiction.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-indent: 14.2pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Raymond Ibrahim clarifies these two views: ‘Osama bin Laden is saying here that the issue of abrogation regarding verse 2:256 is controversial only in that some exegetes believe that forced conversion (as in the sited sword verses - above) actually is acceptable. However, says bin Laden, there is no contradiction in the mainstream interpretation that forced conversion is not acceptable while the imposition of Sharia law and dhimmi (i.e. second-class) status of the People of the Book is.’ In other words, while Muslim theologians differ as to whether verse 2:256 has been abrogated there is universal acceptance that Islam requires the imposition of Sharia law on all non-Muslims, by force if necessary. In the end, the debate is theoretical because control by Islam is, or is to become, the universal social reality and this is ‘<u>more</u> important.’ (p. 41) (E.g. Bukhari and Muslim above) The SA Scholars give the wrong impression to the West and are ‘like those who believe in part of the Book while rejecting the rest.’ (p. 42)</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-indent: 14.2pt;"><a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022825.php#c581437">Hugh Fitzgerald</a>: ‘But there is one more thing that should surely be offered as an objection when some fool comes along and utters credulously this "there is no compulsion in religion" and expects us to believe the Western understanding of it. That is the observable behavior of Muslims over 1350 years. What have Muslims done, when they have conquered, by force or otherwise, non-Muslim lands and peoples? They offer three possibilities: death, conversion, and, at least to those who can be classified as ahl al-kitab or "people of the book," permanent status as dhimmis, with a host of political, economic, and social disabilities which together added up to lives of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity, at times relieved -- but only at times -- by the occasional mollitude of a particular Muslim ruler. A slim reed on which to base one's happiness. And so, over time, many non-Muslims, in order to avoid this condition of degradation, humiliation, and physical insecurity, converted to Islam…</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-indent: 14.2pt;">‘Of course there is "compulsion in religion" in the lands of Islam. The burdens placed on non-Muslims are simply too onerous to be ignored, and many, over the past 1350 years, when living under Muslim rule, have succumbed in order to avoid the dhimmi condition. And that succumbing, that yielding, demonstrates perfectly the "compulsion in religion" that Islam demands, whatever naive and unschooled interpretation of 2.256 any Infidel idiot chooses to give it. Muslims know better.’</p>
<br/><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt;">page references are from ‘<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/277-5202323-7662263?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Al+Qaeda+Reader%92+&x=11&y=20">The Al Qaeda Reader</a>’ edited and translated by Raymond Ibrahim</span>
<p> </p> 08 They are like Cattletag:4freedoms.com,2009-10-28:3766518:Topic:73362009-10-28T16:34:07.000ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt; text-align: center;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 16pt;" xml:lang="EN-GB">They are like Cattle</span></b></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-align: center;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;" xml:lang="EN-GB">The Verses of Al-Qaeda (part 2)…</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Theology</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">In a wide-ranging essay called ‘Moderate Islam is a Prostration to the West,’ authorised or written by Osama bin Laden, true religion (i.e. Islam) is compared to ‘moderate’ Islam and belief systems found in the West. This essay is a response to a long letter written by Islamic Scholars from Saudi Arabia (SA) to scholars from the West who wrote a letter called ‘What We’re Fighting For.’ The letter from SA, which Osama bin Laden believes to be a prostration, is called ‘How We Can Coexist’. OBL is not sympathetic with such a goal, ‘as if one of the foundations of our religion is how to coexist with infidels!!!’ (p. 23). The reason peaceful and harmonious coexistence is not possible is because the West, including the United Nations, do not understand the notions of ‘equality, freedom and justice’ as revealed by Mohammed. ‘No, they mean the despicable notions, which we see today in America and Europe, and which have made the people like cattle. Verily, Allah described them well:’ (read Qur'an 7:179 above) (p. 26)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">‘For the declaration is completely flawed when it comes to the teachings of our religion – that is, faith in Allah alone, all the prophets, and the emulation of Mohammed; upholding the doctrine of Loyalty and Enmity; repudiating all enslavement save to Allah alone, and rejecting all idolatry and false worship; and [Offensive] Jihad in the path of Allah Most High. Indeed the essence of our problems with the West revolves around these principles.’ (p. 30)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Nb. The notion that the basis of the present conflict is anything other than primarily religious is without foundation. ‘Did [not] the Prophet, the Companions after him and the righteous forebears…wage jihad against the infidels, attacking them all over the earth, in order to place them under the suzerainty of Islam in great humility and submission? [Qur'an 9:29]… The <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">sharia</i> provides a true and just path, securing Muslims, and providing peace to the world. If Muslims wished it thus, all they need do is follow it. The West of a surety knows this path and battles us because of it.’ (p. 31)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">‘For practically everything valued by the immoral West is condemned under Sharia law…the issues most prominent in the West revolve around secularism, homosexuality, sexuality, and atheism.’ (p. 37). The vast majority of the people in the West are infidels as revealed by the Qur'an (verses above and many others).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">But the SA authors speak about Allah without knowledge when they speak of Man as a sacred creation and conclude: ‘Thus it is impermissible to transgress against him, no matter what his color, race or religion. [Qur'an 17:70]’ OBL says: ‘who told you that transgression against man is impermissible – if he is an infidel? What about Offensive Jihad? Allah Exalted, the Most High said: (Qur'an 9:14 and 9:5) ...’ (p. 38)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Principles of equality as found in the charters of the United Nations (or in treaties of the Organization of Non-Aligned States), which do not distinguish among people, neither by way of religion nor race nor sex are contrary to the teachings of Islam. For ‘Islam improves; it is not improved. For the Muslim, even if he was a slave, is a million times more superior than an infidel lord.’ Ref. “Do not marry infidel women until they believe…For a believing slave is much better than an idolater…Qur'an 2:221”’ (p. 38-9)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">There is no common ground or shared understandings possible between those who are Muslims and non-Muslims. True religion does not ‘honour mankind’ as the SA letter says. Islam can ‘never possibly honour the Western man who rejects Allah Almighty. Indeed, He describes him as a cow; and He has cursed him and prepared the everlasting Fire for him.’ (p. 40)</span></p>
<span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt;">page references are from ‘The Al Qaeda Reader’ Edited and Translated by Raymond Ibrahim</span><br />
<p> </p> 07 Enmity and Hatred For Evertag:4freedoms.com,2009-10-28:3766518:Topic:73352009-10-28T16:31:41.000ZKinanahttp://4freedoms.com/profile/Kinana
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt; text-align: center;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 14pt;" xml:lang="EN-GB">Enmity and Hatred For Ever</span></b></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-align: center;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;" xml:lang="EN-GB">The Verses of Al-Qaeda (part I)…</span></b></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt; text-align: center;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 14pt;">Enmity and Hatred For Ever</span></b></p>
<p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; text-align: center;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB" style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">The Verses of Al-Qaeda (part I)</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Sources</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">What do Al-Qaeda and their millions of supporters and associates believe? They are Muslims and believe in Islam. To so-called moderate Muslims they say: ‘Indeed, your moderation will be in opposition to the command of the Prophet who said he had been sent in the final hours with the sword and had willed to battle mankind until they declare that there is no god but Allah.’ (p. 53)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">‘As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High’s Word: [read <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Qur'an 60:4</b> above]… So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility, and an internal hate from the heart. And this fierce hostility – that is, battle – ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [a dhimmi], or if the Muslims are [at that point in time] weak and incapable [of spreading Sharia law to the world]. But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the hearts, this is great apostasy; the one who does this [i.e. extinguishes the hate from his heart] will stand excuseless before Allah.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">‘Allah Almighty’s Word to His Prophet recounts in summation the true relationship [read <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Qur'an 9:73</b> above]. Such, then is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim. Battle, animosity, and hatred – directed from the Muslim to the infidel – is the foundation of our religion. And we consider this a justice and kindness to them. The West perceives fighting, enmity, and hatred all for the sake of the religion as unjust, hostile, and evil. But who’s understanding is right – our notions of justice and righteousness, or theirs?’ (p. 43)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">‘The Lord Almighty has commanded us to hate the infidels and reject their love. For they hate us and begrudge us our religion [i.e. way of life], wishing that we abandon it…There is a firm bond between loving the Lord, befriending the believers, and [waging] jihad in the path of Allah. Kindness and fair-dealing with those infidels who are not hostile toward us are not the same thing as friendship, which is forbidden.’ (p. 100)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Why the hatred? ‘Enmity and hate between us has been decreed from now until you renounce your infidelities, so we [must] start to disavow and hate you – ‘until you believe in Allah and Him alone’ – that is, until you exercise tawhid and worship Allah alone, partnerless, and break from whatever other idols and rivals you worship besides him.’ (p. 78). (Included in their understanding of ‘idols’ is democracy; for all ‘legislative rights belong to Allah.’ (p. 130))</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">‘…it is, in fact, part of our religion to impose our particular beliefs upon others. Whoever doubts this, let him turn to the deeds of the Companions when they raided the lands of the Christians and Omar [the second Caliph] imposed upon them the conditions of dhimmi[tude]…we <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">are</i></b> to force people by the power of the sword to [our] particular understandings, customs and conditions, all in order to induce debasement and humility, just like Allah commanded when he said [read <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Qur'an 9:29</b> above]’ p. 51 [emphasis in original] and;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"><span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">‘Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam: either willing submission; or payment of the Jizya, through physical though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam; or the sword – for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live. The matter is summed up for every person alive: either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die.’ p. 42</span></p>
<span xml:lang="EN-GB" lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt;">Page references are from ‘The Al Qaeda Reader’ Edited and Translated by Raymond Ibrahim</span><br />
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