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Fightback by Kinana's Tiles

An ongoing series of tiles which will build up an image of Islam. Short essays on different aspects of Islam.

Location: Kinana
Members: 33
Latest Activity: Jul 15

Key Info

On this page are short essays (mostly one page each) that I have written (click view all) .

The format for each is the scripture source from the either the Qur'an or hadith, followed by an explanation of these sources and sometimes a comment.

This format was partly inspired by a friend who kept asking me questions re Islam. But he wanted answers that would fit on one page only, so that he could easily print it out and distribute to his friends. I am attempting a sort of an ‘Islam-lite’ series!

Also, the world-wide-web is full of long essays on Islam of varying degrees of quality. These tiles do not tax the reader with too much to read too quickly.

What I tried to achieve with all these is first and foremost accuracy. Is what I say correct? Also, given the limited space, have I highlighted the main aspects of a particular subject, leaving out nothing of significance in order of priority? That is, are the most significant aspects mentioned as opposed to the less significant? I try to let the sources speak for themselves, with only a little help from me.

Please note that I am not attempting to write about what individual Muslims actually believe, there are too many of them! I am writing and learning about what Islam teaches Muslims to believe. This is a crucial difference. I am not saying that all Muslims believe what Islam teaches; on the contrary many are unaware of that teaching. But to the degree that teachings affect beliefs and behaviour, it is important to understand those teachings.

When discussing Islam, often Muslims and many non-Muslims raise comparisons with Christianity. Making such comparisons in these papers is not my purpose. But I will say that while Christianity focuses on the Word (John 1:1), Islam focuses on words; and these words are accessible to understanding. The words of the Qur'an are the closest equivalent to the Word in Christianity. Knowing and understanding the words of Islam (the Qur'an and Hadith) is the sum total of Islamic belief.

Discussion Forum

03 Aisha

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Feb 26, 2020. 1 Reply

07 Enmity and Hatred For Ever

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Jan 30, 2020. 4 Replies

06 Jews

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Nov 12, 2018. 5 Replies

10 7 July 2005

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Jul 7, 2018. 9 Replies

Zakat, Muslim Charities and non-Muslims

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Jun 21, 2018. 12 Replies

Residents of Islamic Hell

Started by Kinana Mar 27, 2014. 0 Replies

Martyrdom in Islam

Started by Kinana Feb 11, 2014. 0 Replies

02 Abrogation

Started by Kinana. Last reply by paul collings Sep 19, 2013. 10 Replies

On Lying and Deceit - part II

Started by Kinana Jul 3, 2013. 0 Replies

04 Lying and Deceit

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Nov 7, 2011. 4 Replies

09 No Compulsion in Religion

Started by Kinana. Last reply by jacmak Jun 15, 2010. 1 Reply

01 The Perfect Man

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Mar 24, 2010. 2 Replies

08 They are like Cattle

Started by Kinana Oct 28, 2009. 0 Replies

05 Relations with Non-Muslims

Started by Kinana Oct 28, 2009. 0 Replies

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Comment by OldWarDog on February 12, 2010 at 17:19
You could even take your tiles to a new level Kinana. Oh, welcome back by the way!!

You could create a sort of 'Fitna Table' by adding another column which gives examples (photographic or otherwise) of how the Muslim's actually translate their scriptures into real life terror.
Comment by Kinana on February 12, 2010 at 16:40
Ken
thanks. i think many others find this format helpful too. I invite you and OWD to add to these pages, using the same style and format. There are 3 basic elements to it.
1) quotes from Islamic scriptures followed by
2) comment and the theology and
3) all to fit one A4 page.

That way the build up of the Islamic mural will happen quicker!

Indoeurpean
You say: ‘warmly disagree with apologetic Issues…’ did you mean to say disagree? If so I am not sure what you disagree with. I do not disagree with you what you subsequently wrote.

Thanks
Comment by Indoeuropean on February 12, 2010 at 6:33
Thank you for this Page and I warmly disagree with apologetic Issues like those by Richard Londonbourne. Islamic people, even so called Moderates, even those who allegedly fight for "(Islamic) Women Rights", they put ISLAMIC Rights before Others' Rights. They do not fight for Human Rights, they do fight for Islamic Rights. Otherwise - among other Reasons - Apostates of Islam would be much more supported and Criticism of Islam will be encouraged (Evidences are brought to show that Islam allows Paedophilia, Discrimination against Women, Hate Preachings agaist "Kuffar", Support for Shari'a and not for Human Rights - see "Cairo Declaration of Universal Human Rights in Islam", 1990, compared to "Declaration of Universal Human Rights", United Nations, 1948). This is not the Case.

Christianity is essentially based on New Testament: maybe there are Christians which did never read it all, but still New Testament is innocent, while Shari'a (Judiciary System based on Islam - Koran and aHadith -) is racist, discriminatory and Christianity is a Matter of Ethics, while Islam is a Totalitarian Ideology/System, most often litterally understood, which is a Matter of concrete Laws. There is no Comparism between Islam and Christianity (or any other spiritual Belief/Teaching) - at private religious Level and at international political Level; and there is no Comparism between Non-islamic prople's Approach to Others (where Multiculturalism and Openmindness dominate) and Islamic Approach to Non-islam (where standardized brainwashed Criticism/Offence is the Rule).

And Islamic people freewillingly immigrate to the West, where in most Cases benefit of Western Social Welfare, but they refuse to integrate and, shortly, to accept and respect local Laws (they of Course don't deny Benefits coming from Social Welfare); Immigration to Islamized/Islamic Countries is treated differently - People have to adapt to their Laws, even if they go there for Business and they do not live on their Shouldern at all, or People (Hindus in Saudi Arabia) have to convert, and anyway do not benefit of Universal Human Rights (Philippinos in Saudi Arabia).
Comment by OldWarDog on February 11, 2010 at 23:32
Hi Ken,

do you have a URL link to your essays please? I'd like to read them.

Tony.
Comment by OldWarDog on November 26, 2009 at 18:45
Kinana, Richard. I don't want to pollute this room with another debate on Islam, so I've opened a thread that poses some questions that have been raised here. You can visit it here:

http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/EDL/forum/topics/when-we-rid-the-uk...
Comment by Richard Londonbourne on November 26, 2009 at 5:34
I think you have to deal with Muslims as you would with Germans - i.e as fellow human beings. The Germans were the first victims of Nazism and were compelled to accept its doctrines and act under them. It does not surprise me to learn that many Muslims - even devout ones - are ignorant of the finer details of their religion; the same might be said of most Christians. Never forget that Muslims are bound into their faith by the threat of capital punishment. You can check this with Sura 18 verses75 & 81.
Comment by Kinana on November 25, 2009 at 22:49
I am glad you find them useful. Your list of a, b, c, d arguments are common questions that any critic of Islam is faced with all the time. The tiles will help you respond.

I agree that the teachings of the Quran, taken as a whole, are repulsive. But that is just reflects my morality and understanding of the Qur'an, hadith and Sira. But that does not necessarily mean that I think all ‘those who follow the Koran’ are repulsive.

All I am trying to do is make true statements about Islam -- not Muslims.

From my intro:

‘Please note that I am not attempting to write about what individual Muslims actually believe, there are too many of them! I am writing and learning about what Islam teaches Muslims to believe. This is a crucial difference. I am not saying that all Muslims believe what Islam teaches; on the contrary many are unaware of that teaching. But to the degree that teachings affect beliefs and behaviour, it is important to understand those teachings.’

Of course, many Muslims will disagree with me as per my understanding of the teachings. Hence my emphasis on the texts and the hyperlinks in my short tiles to expand on the meaning of those texts. For unless a Muslim’s understanding of his/her faith is grounded in the texts then they are fantasising.

But Muslims may believe many different things. They may not even be aware of many aspects of their faith. I remember having a long discussion with a Muslim once and he was very knowledgeable about the Qur'an, philosophy and history. But he refused to believe that Mohammed had married Aisha when she was 6 and had sex with her when she was 9. He said he had never heard of it and that if was true that Mohammed was a paedophile (his word) then he would leave Islam. Well, unfortunately I did not have my nine volumes of Bukhari with me so when we parted company he was still a Muslim!

So the argument goes in two directions.

The first one is a concentration on the texts and what traditional Islam teachings about those texts.

The second fruitful path to tread is to not talk about Islam at all but pin point Muslim individuals or groups, e.g. Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, Choudry and Islam4UK, etc. These groups and individuals will have a public profile and teaching that they believe are consistent with the traditional teachings of Islam which are grounded in the texts. If we utilise their material then any criticism that comes our way is actually a criticism of them.

My tiles utilise both approaches.
Comment by OldWarDog on November 25, 2009 at 11:18
These are all very good essays Kinana. It's great that you've quoted the Koran and then commented and summarised each under a heading of its own. Very clever and very useful reference. Thank you very much for doing this.

I'll be able to draw on these tiles now when I'm faced with the arguements that a) Islam is a religion of peace; b) Those who interpret these verses for terrorist or wretched acts are just twisting the words to suit their own selfish ends; c) The bible has just as many evil and violent verses; d) Most Muslim's are peace loving, hard working, honest members of society..... etc., etc., etc.,...

I wonder if there's any way to summarise the overall premise that the teachings in the Koran are repulsive and that those who follow the Koran are by association repulsive. Or is that just too controversial?
 

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