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Kuffarphobia in Turkey


Kuffarphobia in Turkey

Türk Hıristiyan ülke olarak ayrımcılık acı küçülen topluluk için laiklik den fişleri

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The Fall of Constantinople / Istanbul

Started by Charles Martel. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 5. 8 Replies

The Islamisation of the Aya Sophia

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Aug 22, 2020. 4 Replies

The Forgotten Armenian Genocide of 1019 AD

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 3, 2019. 6 Replies

The Armenian Genocide: A Complete History

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Antony Jun 28, 2017. 3 Replies

Erdogan: Europe's favourite gangster

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 23, 2017. 6 Replies


Started by shiva. Last reply by Antony Jun 25, 2012. 3 Replies

EU membership without a vote

Started by Kinana. Last reply by paul collings Jun 13, 2012. 7 Replies

The Genocide of the Ottoman Greeks

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe May 7, 2012. 2 Replies

Turkey returns some religious properties

Started by Kinana. Last reply by paul collings Aug 31, 2011. 2 Replies

Turkey's part in "Jihad in Humanitarian cloaks"

Started by Mary, Act 4 America Chptr Leader. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 6, 2010. 1 Reply

Patriarch Bartholomew Feels "Crucified"

Started by John Carlson Dec 28, 2009. 0 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 26, 2022 at 7:42

Agree Alan, they hanged the nazis and human rights have no meaning at all. You only have the rights that you can enforce and defend. There are no human rights in islam. Bleating is an apt description. Let the muslim states take care of the afghanis. And bomb taliban.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 25, 2022 at 18:51
Gunnar ° ken stavrum: We should talk with the devil himself if it can prevent a humanitarian disaster
So would they have talked with Hitler and Stalin and Mao, and given them aid, to prevent a 'humanitarian disaster'? We've already seen many times how aid gets expropriated by authoritarian regimes, so this endless bleating about 'humanitarian ideals' doesn't impress me anymore.
Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 25, 2022 at 10:16

The Norwegians would rather sacrifice their race and betray their own culture rather that be thought badly of.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 25, 2022 at 8:37

Taliban in Oslo.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 25, 2022 at 8:35

A top level terrorist war criminal delegation has been flown in from Afghanistan to Oslo for talks with the Norwegian government. Flown in yesterday and calling it a victory against the western coalition. DISGUSTING but typical for norwegians that delude themselves into believing that they are a diplomatic super power. When no one would speak to the palestinian terrorists norway gave them money.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 2, 2020 at 12:08

You have to ask what set of values people that trade in organs have.

Comment by Antony on August 2, 2020 at 8:53

Syrian Army Uncovers Organ Trading Hub Of Turkish-Backed Militants In Southern Idlib ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 16, 2020 at 13:20
Deputy leader of the populist Alternative for Germany (AfD) party Beatrix von Storch has slammed the Turkish government for opening its borders to Europe, demanding that the country be removed from the NATO military alliance.
Three Turkish men have been sentenced for the killing of Aylan Kurdi, the Syrian toddler whose drowning was the catalyst for the 2015-16 migrant crisis.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 31, 2020 at 18:27

It makes sense to Muslims, the whole culture condones the rape of underage girls.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 31, 2020 at 0:19

Turkey could introduce new law allowing rapists to marry their underage victims


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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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