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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Will Durant (The Story of Civilization) called the fall of India to the Muslim invad…"

Kinana replied May 12, 2019 to The Forgotten Armenian Genocide of 1019 AD

6 Jun 3, 2019
Reply by Alan Lake

"The fall of Constantinople Dec 23rd 1999 |From the print edition GREEKS still consid…"

Kinana replied May 31, 2013 to The Fall of Constantinople / Istanbul

8 Oct 5
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"Thanks Paul for this info.  When a final decision re Turkey's membership takes place…"

Kinana replied Jun 12, 2012 to EU membership without a vote

7 Jun 13, 2012
Reply by paul collings

"With such a history is there any wonder about some of the results in the latest elec…"

Kinana replied May 7, 2012 to The Genocide of the Ottoman Greeks

2 May 7, 2012
Reply by Joe

"freedom is the basis of belief.  if one is not free to not believe, then belief is n…"

Kinana replied Apr 29, 2012 to Atheist makes gentle joke about Islam, has to flee Turkey

2 Apr 29, 2012
Reply by Kinana

"'Turkey aspires to become an E.U. member, yet its penal code is in urgent need of re…"

Kinana replied Nov 26, 2011 to Is Turkey Using the Courts to Silence Critics? - Time Magazine

4 Jan 20, 2012
Reply by shiva

"'there also is the fact that there no longer are Christian communities in many of th…"

Kinana replied Aug 31, 2011 to Turkey returns some religious properties

2 Aug 31, 2011
Reply by paul collings

" European Prem…"

Kinana replied Jun 11, 2011 to The Armenian Genocide: A Complete History

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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