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Kuffarphobia in Turkey


Kuffarphobia in Turkey

Türk Hıristiyan ülke olarak ayrımcılık acı küçülen topluluk için laiklik den fişleri

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The Armenian Genocide: A Complete History

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Antony Jun 28, 2017. 3 Replies

Erdogan: Europe's favourite gangster

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 23, 2017. 6 Replies

The Fall of Constantinople / Istanbul

Started by Charles Martel. Last reply by Kinana May 31, 2013. 3 Replies


Started by shiva. Last reply by Antony Jun 25, 2012. 3 Replies

EU membership without a vote

Started by Kinana. Last reply by paul collings Jun 13, 2012. 7 Replies

The Genocide of the Ottoman Greeks

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe May 7, 2012. 2 Replies

Turkey returns some religious properties

Started by Kinana. Last reply by paul collings Aug 31, 2011. 2 Replies

Turkey's part in "Jihad in Humanitarian cloaks"

Started by Mary, Act 4 America Chptr Leader. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 6, 2010. 1 Reply

Patriarch Bartholomew Feels "Crucified"

Started by John Carlson Dec 28, 2009. 0 Replies

Timeline of Byzantium

Started by Netcon. Last reply by Netcon Dec 28, 2009. 2 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on January 29, 2018 at 11:38

Agreed. It was ridiculous of Obama’s to believe that Iran would not go nuclear, and it is ridiculous of NATO to contend that Turkey is a secular democratic state. We are lead by blind people.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 28, 2018 at 16:20
Court documents related to a recent U.S. case detail the blockbuster testimony of a gold trader at the center of a multifaceted scheme involving NATO ally Turkey helping Iran evade nuclear sanctions at a critical moment when its economy teetered.
Kick Turkey out of NATO.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 24, 2018 at 13:25

Massive Brawl Breaks Out In German Airport During Anti-Erdogan Protests

Those orderly Germans must be feeling very enriched now that their 'guests' have shown how well they've assimilated to the Germanic lifestyle.  Of course, Merkel's Stazi will hunt down and silence any dissidents complaining that this event was perhaps a little too full of youthful 'enthusiasm'.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 21, 2018 at 15:41
As expected Erdogan is invading Kurdish territory to crush any hopes of a Kurdish State. The US and Russia will probably let him get away with it. Turkey should be thrown out of Nato.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 13, 2018 at 9:53

Wise to know history.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 11, 2018 at 19:20

Turkey was restored to the West at the end of the 1st World War.  But Turkey then fought the Turkish War of Independence, and gradually regained control of the country.  The UK government gave in to pacifist tendencies, and also failed to see the long term effects of returning land which was once Christian, to the hands of Islamic Fascism.

Comment by Alan Lake on September 20, 2017 at 0:09
Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 8, 2017 at 8:57

Good news Turkey no longer wanted in the EU. Now we just have to kick them out of NATO.      and deport Turks.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 22, 2017 at 7:15

Erdogan's guards may go unpunished after DC attack on protesters

Comment by Alan Lake on May 22, 2017 at 7:14

We were expecting this :-)

Berlin drafts 8 locations for airbase after Turkey bars German lawmakers from visiting Incirlik


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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