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Kuffarphobia in Turkey


Kuffarphobia in Turkey

Türk Hıristiyan ülke olarak ayrımcılık acı küçülen topluluk için laiklik den fişleri

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Erdogan: Europe's favourite gangster

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 23. 6 Replies

The Fall of Constantinople / Istanbul

Started by Charles Martel. Last reply by Kinana May 31, 2013. 3 Replies


Started by shiva. Last reply by Antony Jun 25, 2012. 3 Replies

EU membership without a vote

Started by Kinana. Last reply by paul collings Jun 13, 2012. 7 Replies

The Genocide of the Ottoman Greeks

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe May 7, 2012. 2 Replies

Turkey returns some religious properties

Started by Kinana. Last reply by paul collings Aug 31, 2011. 2 Replies

Turkey's part in "Jihad in Humanitarian cloaks"

Started by Mary, Act 4 America Chptr Leader. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 6, 2010. 1 Reply

Patriarch Bartholomew Feels "Crucified"

Started by John Carlson Dec 28, 2009. 0 Replies

Timeline of Byzantium

Started by Netcon. Last reply by Netcon Dec 28, 2009. 2 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on September 21, 2016 at 23:39
Turks in Germany praise Erdogan ;

Actually, no. That video is another piece of misleading Youtube crap. The event is in Turkey.
Comment by Antony on September 9, 2016 at 17:35
Comment by Antony on September 3, 2016 at 16:17
Comment by Philip Smeeton on September 3, 2016 at 13:11

What Turkey means is that these spies and terrorists are Kurds that are fighting to establish a Kurdish State. Crusaders are any infidel that is fighting against Islam. Turkey's intention is to make a show of attacking ISIS while in fact their main objective is to exterminate Kurdish freedom fighters.

A large part of the territory and population of Turkey is Kurdish. Turkey and ISIS are natural allies because they both want a Caliphate. Erdogan with the support of the majority of Turks is already well on the way to making Turkey an Islamic State.
Comment by Antony on September 3, 2016 at 7:22

Turkey says Brits and other NATO citizens fighting ISIS are terrorists ;

Comment by Alan Lake on August 19, 2016 at 4:50

As Turkey "Considers Military Cooperation" With Russia, US Said To Move Nukes Out Of Turkey

Notably, Incirlik airbase is where the US has stationed over 50 B61 nuclear bombs, as reported before. Which may explain why according to EurActiv, which cites two independent sources the US has "started transferring nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey to Romania, against the background of worsening relations between Washington and Ankara."

According to one of the sources, the transfer has been very challenging in technical and political terms. “It’s not easy to move 20+ nukes,” said the source, on conditions of anonymity.

Comment by Antony on July 31, 2016 at 6:50

Turkish police surround Incirlik air base ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 29, 2016 at 15:52

Right Antony, I agree. I can't say that I see Russia as much of a threat, they are a potential ally. I think relations with Russia will improve if Trump manages to get himself elected, and relations will hopefully worsen with the Muslim world. The opposite will be true if Hillary wins.

Comment by Antony on July 29, 2016 at 8:07

Turkey should be thrown out of NATO - and our fellow Europeans Russia should join NATO so we can unite against the islamist threat !

Comment by Alan Lake on July 29, 2016 at 3:33
The Turkish dictatorship still in NATO? Well a good way to bring the issue to a head, would be to force the Turkish invasion army out of Cyprus. But I guess that would be too 'disrespectful' and cause all Muslims to feel 'offended'.

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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