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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"I was interested in this Alan; "I'm starting this forum as a repository for bits and…"

Tha Grenadier replied Apr 25, 2015 to How Gangsterism Beats Democracy and Civil Society

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"The Muslim organisation Quilliam is a Terrorist supporting Islamic organisation whic…"

Tha Grenadier replied Oct 9, 2013 to Is this the end of EDL

69 Jan 27, 2017
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"Al Jazeera: Muslims talk about vigilantism in London. I found this interesting, I no…"

Tha Grenadier replied Apr 5, 2013 to Al Jazeera: muslims talk about vigilantism in London

4 Apr 6, 2013
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"Medieval Barbarity, the Criminal Justice System. Well we can certainly see that this…"

Tha Grenadier replied Apr 16, 2012 to Medieval Barbarity, the Criminal Justice System, and Nick Lowles

2 Apr 18, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"The Dim Wit in the left hand photograph is one of Anjims rent boy,s, seen him on lot…"

Tha Grenadier replied Jan 4, 2011 to Xmas 2010: nine men remanded over plan to blow up Big Ben and Westminster Abbey

1 Jan 4, 2011
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""Most trade unions have signed up as well" What he really means is that the people…"

Tha Grenadier replied Nov 28, 2010 to SWP Aristocrats Incensed over Comments by Preston Police

11 Nov 29, 2010
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"Well I’m not sure about this painting, It looks like the dead being taken to heaven…"

Tha Grenadier replied Nov 28, 2010 to Muslim Artist Depicts 7/7 bombers as Angels

9 Nov 28, 2010
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"There sad Bastards"

Tha Grenadier replied Oct 30, 2010 to Mosque Gangs Reassert Control over East London Dar al Islam - 20Jun10

3 Oct 30, 2010
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"Heather, I dont know if you have kids or not but i do and sometimes i dont like them…"

Tha Grenadier replied Oct 26, 2010 to Kent Police concerned over veterans' violent crime

10 Oct 26, 2010
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"The sense of of betrayal is large but this is felt towards the Mungrels in Parlement…"

Tha Grenadier replied Oct 21, 2010 to Kent Police concerned over veterans' violent crime

10 Oct 26, 2010
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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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