All Discussions Tagged 'and' - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-28T12:15:10Zhttp://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=and&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMargaret Thatcher - and the law of unintended consequencestag:4freedoms.com,2015-07-24:3766518:Topic:1696532015-07-24T17:09:49.132ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>If you were to ask who was the greatest conservative of the 20th century after Churchill, I think most people would say Thatcher. Yet she was unwittingly the architect of two of the most damaging socialist blights to afflict us.</p>
<p><strong>1. The Channel Tunnel</strong></p>
<p>If we didn't have the channel tunnel, if we still relied on slow discrete ship movements, we would not have the current problem with illegal immigration, because you can be sure that the captain of a ship wants…</p>
<p>If you were to ask who was the greatest conservative of the 20th century after Churchill, I think most people would say Thatcher. Yet she was unwittingly the architect of two of the most damaging socialist blights to afflict us.</p>
<p><strong>1. The Channel Tunnel</strong></p>
<p>If we didn't have the channel tunnel, if we still relied on slow discrete ship movements, we would not have the current problem with illegal immigration, because you can be sure that the captain of a ship wants to know exactly who is on his shape and what risks they create. The captain polices that barrier, in a way that hauliers do not. </p>
<p><strong>2. Selling off Council Housing</strong></p>
<p>On the face of it, this looked like a great idea. Home owners tend to be more responsible and thus more conservative in their thinking. But many of those homes were given to immigrants who later bought them. Many of them down south are worth £0.5m, some even more. Meanwhile up North, we have ex servicemen scratching around in two-up two-down terraced housing worth £70k, that they can't afford to buy, and that should should have been pulled down decades ago. It is totally unjust.</p>
<p>I also thought that the EU was partially her fault in some way maybe I'm wrong?</p>
<p>Anyway, let this be a warning to us all. Politics is tricky. Decisions you make now which are apparently acting in one political direction now, can, due to changing circumstance, start to have the opposite effect just a decade or so later. </p> Future Predictions and Timelinetag:4freedoms.com,2014-11-25:3766518:Topic:1580992014-11-25T10:25:38.507ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>This forum is used to collect predictions for the future, and to track how accurate they are. Please just add predictions as a post, and I will collate them into the table. Please note that the date years given are <em>start</em> dates - the event can happen anytime <em>after</em> that date.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>2014</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>Prediction</strong>: There will be a prosecution for defaming Islam</p>
<p><strong>Prompted by</strong>: …</p>
<p>This forum is used to collect predictions for the future, and to track how accurate they are. Please just add predictions as a post, and I will collate them into the table. Please note that the date years given are <em>start</em> dates - the event can happen anytime <em>after</em> that date.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>2014</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>Prediction</strong>: There will be a prosecution for defaming Islam</p>
<p><strong>Prompted by</strong>: Law on offensive speech</p>
<p><strong>Evidenced by</strong>: Conviction of Paul Weston for reading Churchill's speech on Islam</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>2015</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>Prediction</strong>: Random beheadings of citizens in the UK</p>
<p><strong>Prompted by</strong>: 1. Beheading of soldier Lee Rigby (and suppression of outrage)<br/> 2. Warnings of further blowback by ISIS</p>
<p><strong>Evidenced by</strong>: Police now warning of this possibility</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>2014</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>Prediction</strong>: There will be a general prohibition on criticising Islam</p>
<p><strong>Prompted by</strong>: Prohibition on Tommy Robinson on criticizing Islam</p>
<p><strong>Evidenced by</strong>: <a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/the-persecution-of-tommy-robinson-collected-articles?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A158147">http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/the-persecution-of-tommy-robinson-collected-articles?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A158147</a></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>2025</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>Prediction</strong>: Civil War breaks out in many European countries</p>
<p><strong>Prompted by</strong>: Attempts by secular governments to reign in incursions of Sharia Law into society, and attempts to maintain freedom of speech and resist the imposition of Sharia Law on defamation.</p>
<p><strong>Evidenced by</strong>: </p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>2050</strong></span><br/> <br/> <strong>Prediction</strong>: Europe becomes Muslim, by democratic election<br/> <br/> <strong>Prompted by</strong>: Demographic predictions<br/> <br/> <strong>Evidenced by</strong>: <a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/demographics/forum/topics/demographics-is-destiny">http://4freedoms.com/group/demographics/forum/topics/demographics-is-destiny</a><br/></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>2055</strong></span><br/> <br/> <strong>Prediction</strong>: Sharia law largely replaces secular law in Europe<br/> <br/> <strong>Prompted by</strong>: <br/> <br/> <strong>Evidenced by</strong>: </p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>2070</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>Prediction</strong>: Islamic Europe begins to conquer the Middle East</p>
<p><strong>Prompted by</strong>: Need for dwindling supplies of Middle East oil, but justified by the need for theological conformance (to the newly Europeanised form of Islam).</p>
<p><strong>Evidenced by</strong>: <a href="http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/future-predictions-and-scoring?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A162930&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255">http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/future-predictions-and-scoring?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A162930&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255</a></p> GCHQ and JTRIG: Covert Ops to Discredit Political Activiststag:4freedoms.com,2014-02-26:3766518:Topic:1453812014-02-26T20:26:33.206ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
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<h3><a href="https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/">https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/</a></h3>
<h3>How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations</h3>
<div class="meta"><span class="author">By <a href="https://firstlook.org/theintercept/staff/glenn-greenwald/" title="Posts by Glenn Greenwald" rel="author">Glenn Greenwald</a></span>24 Feb 2014, 6:25 PM EST<a href="https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/#comments" class="comment-count">828</a></div>
<div class="content"><div class="hero"><img src="https://prod01-cdn03.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/2014/02/main2.png" alt="Featured photo - How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations"/><span class="wp-caption-text">A page from a GCHQ top secret document prepared by its secretive JTRIG unit</span></div>
<p>One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.</p>
<p>Over the last several weeks, I worked with <em>NBC News</em> to publish a <a href="http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/27/22469304-snowden-docs-reveal-british-spies-snooped-on-youtube-and-facebook?lite">series</a> of <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/war-anonymous-british-spies-attacked-hackers-snowden-docs-show-n21361">articles</a> about <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/snowden-docs-british-spies-used-sex-dirty-tricks-n23091">“dirty trick” tactics</a> used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on <a href="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/NEWS/snowden_youtube_nbc_document.pdf">four</a> <a href="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/snowden_anonymous_nbc_document.pdf">classified</a> <a href="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/snowden_cyber_offensive2_nbc_document.pdf">GCHQ</a> <a href="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/snowden_cyber_offensive1_nbc_document.pdf">documents</a> presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/is-the-five-eyes-alliance-conspiring-to-spy-on-you/277190/">“Five Eyes” alliance</a>. Today, we at <em>the Intercept</em> are publishing <a href="https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/02/24/art-deception-training-new-generation-online-covert-operations/">another new JTRIG document</a>, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations.”</p>
<p>By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses. But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself.</p>
<p>Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: <strong>(1)</strong> to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and <strong>(2)</strong> to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums. Here is one illustrative list of tactics from the latest GCHQ document we’re publishing today:</p>
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<p>Other tactics aimed at individuals are listed here, under the revealing title “discredit a target”:</p>
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<p>Then there are the tactics used to destroy companies the agency targets:</p>
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<p>GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG in starkly clear terms: “using online techniques to make something happen in the real or cyber world,” including “information ops (influence or disruption).”</p>
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<p>Critically, the “targets” for this deceit and reputation-destruction extend far beyond the customary roster of normal spycraft: hostile nations and their leaders, military agencies, and intelligence services. In fact, the discussion of many of these techniques occurs in the context of using them in lieu of “traditional law enforcement” against people suspected (but not charged or convicted) of ordinary crimes or, more broadly still, “hacktivism”, meaning those who use online protest activity for political ends.</p>
<p>The title page of one of these documents reflects the agency’s own awareness that it is “pushing the boundaries” by using “cyber offensive” techniques against people who have <em>nothing to do with terrorism or national security threats</em>, and indeed, centrally involves law enforcement agents who investigate ordinary crimes:</p>
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<p>No matter your views on Anonymous, “hacktivists” or garden-variety criminals, it is not difficult to see how dangerous it is to have secret government agencies being able to target any individuals they want – <strong>who have never been charged with, let alone convicted of, any crimes</strong> – with these sorts of online, deception-based tactics of reputation destruction and disruption. There is a strong argument to make, as <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/22/paypal-wikileaks-protesters-ddos-free-speech">Jay Leiderman demonstrated in <em>the Guardian</em>in the context of the Paypal 14 hacktivist persecution</a>, that the “denial of service” tactics used by hacktivists result in (at most) trivial damage (far less than the cyber-warfare tactics <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/23/anonymous-trial-wikileaks-internet-freedom">favored by the US and UK</a>) and are far more akin to the type of political protest protected by the First Amendment.</p>
<p>The broader point is that, far beyond hacktivists, these surveillance agencies have vested themselves with the power to deliberately ruin people’s reputations and disrupt their online political activity even though they’ve been charged with no crimes, and even though their actions have no conceivable connection to terrorism or even national security threats. As Anonymous expert Gabriella Coleman of McGill University told me, “targeting Anonymous and hacktivists amounts to targeting citizens for expressing their political beliefs, resulting in the stifling of legitimate dissent.” Pointing to <a href="http://www.cigionline.org/publications/2013/9/anonymous-context-politics-and-power-behind-mask">this study</a> she published, Professor Coleman vehemently contested the assertion that “there is <em>anything</em> terrorist/violent in their actions.”</p>
<p>Government plans to monitor and influence internet communications, and covertly infiltrate online communities in order to sow dissension and disseminate false information, have long been the source of speculation. Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, a close Obama adviser and the White House’s former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, <a href="http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/">wrote a controversial paper in 2008</a> proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups<span>.</span></p>
<p>Sunstein also proposed sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups” which spread what he views as false and damaging “conspiracy theories” about the government. Ironically, the very same Sunstein was recently named by Obama to serve as a member of the NSA review panel created by the White House, one that – while disputing key NSA claims – proceeded to propose <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/13/nsa-review-to-leave-spying-programs-largely-unchanged-reports-say">many cosmetic reforms</a> to the agency’s powers (most of which were ignored by the President who appointed them).</p>
<p>But these GCHQ documents are the first to prove that a major western government is using some of the most controversial techniques to disseminate deception online and harm the reputations of targets. Under the tactics they use, the state is deliberately spreading lies on the internet about whichever individuals it targets, including the use of what GCHQ itself calls “false flag operations” and emails to people’s families and friends. Who would possibly trust a government to exercise these powers at all, let alone do so in secret, with virtually no oversight, and outside of any cognizable legal framework?</p>
<p>Then there is the use of psychology and other social sciences to not only understand, but shape and control, how online activism and discourse unfolds. Today’s newly published document touts the work of GCHQ’s “Human Science Operations Cell,” devoted to “online human intelligence” and “strategic influence and disruption”:</p>
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<p>Under the title “Online Covert Action”, the document details a variety of means to engage in “influence and info ops” as well as “disruption and computer net attack,” while dissecting how human beings can be manipulated using “leaders,” “trust,” “obedience” and “compliance”:</p>
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<br/> The documents lay out theories of how humans interact with one another, particularly online, and then attempt to identify ways to influence the outcomes – or “game” it:
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<p>We submitted numerous questions to GCHQ, including: (1) Does GCHQ in fact engage in “false flag operations” where material is posted to the Internet and falsely attributed to someone else?; (2) Does GCHQ engage in efforts to influence or manipulate political discourse online?; and (3) Does GCHQ’s mandate include targeting common criminals (such as boiler room operators), or only foreign threats?</p>
<p>As usual, they ignored those questions and opted instead to send their vague and nonresponsive boilerplate: “It is a longstanding policy that we do not comment on intelligence matters. Furthermore, all of GCHQ’s work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework which ensures that our activities are authorised, necessary and proportionate, and that there is rigorous oversight, including from the Secretary of State, the Interception and Intelligence Services Commissioners and the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee. All our operational processes rigorously support this position.”</p>
<p>These agencies’ refusal to “comment on intelligence matters” – meaning: talk at all about anything and everything they do – is precisely why whistleblowing is so urgent, the journalism that supports it so clearly in the public interest, and the increasingly unhinged attacks by these agencies <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/leaked-memos-gchq-mass-surveillance-secret-snowden">so easy to understand</a>. Claims that government agencies are infiltrating online communities and engaging in “false flag operations” to discredit targets are often dismissed as conspiracy theories, but these documents leave no doubt they are doing precisely that.</p>
<p>Whatever else is true, no government should be able to engage in these tactics: what justification is there for having government agencies target people – who have been charged with no crime – for reputation-destruction, infiltrate online political communities, and develop techniques for manipulating online discourse? But to allow those actions with no public knowledge or accountability is particularly unjustifiable.</p>
</div> The BBC and its Covert Agendatag:4freedoms.com,2013-06-01:3766518:Topic:1261352013-06-01T03:13:33.324ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Consider this sting on MP Patrick Mercer:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22738901">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22738901</a></p>
<p>Interesting, but why did they target Patrick Mercer? Why not target any on of the other 500 MPs? Why not the Labour MPs? Is it because he's an old style Tory and staunch supporter of Soldiers rights?</p>
<p>Then on the same day we have this 'rehabilitation' of the white genocidal tyrant, Muggabe:…<br></br></p>
<p>Consider this sting on MP Patrick Mercer:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22738901">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22738901</a></p>
<p>Interesting, but why did they target Patrick Mercer? Why not target any on of the other 500 MPs? Why not the Labour MPs? Is it because he's an old style Tory and staunch supporter of Soldiers rights?</p>
<p>Then on the same day we have this 'rehabilitation' of the white genocidal tyrant, Muggabe:<br/> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22738042">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22738042</a></p>
<p>I couldn't bear to watch it. Would they do the same for Hitler or Stalin? Are they childish simpletons? Every person, whether tyrant or saint, can give a nice performance sat round a smart dinner table with their family. Does that somehow excuse genocide they are guilty of? Their racism? Their suppression of democratic process? Their beating up of the opposition leader of the MDC (Movement for Democratic Change)? For Christ's sake, he was interviewed, covered in blood and bruises, on their own bloody channel! They've got the memory of a goldfish.</p>
<p>The BBC has sunk to a new low. I detest their totalitarian and racist supporting Oxbridge graduates, who think they have the right to enforce their world view on the rest of us.</p> The Death of the West: Fake Stats and False Hopestag:4freedoms.com,2012-10-12:3766518:Topic:1128892012-10-12T11:39:54.434ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Comment from Joe</strong></span></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Comment from Joe</strong></span></p>
<p><a href="http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/muslim-population-in-sweden-and-denmark-doubled-in-14-years/" target="_blank"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/muslim-population-in-sweden-and-denmark-doubled-in-14-years/</font></a></p>
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<div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I know when I have projected that muslims would be 40% of UK population by 2040, even most people on the EDL forum laughed at the idea. The above site is predicting that the 40% mark will be reached by 2030.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">By 2060, there is no doubt they will be the UK government. If Britain breaks up into constituent assemblies, then England would have a muslim government long before that.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">If we think that the stated reason for mass immigration is low birth rates & the need to finance the welfare state, then for a life of relative luxury, a few generations of Brits have jettisoned the previous 1000 to 2000 years.</font></div>
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<p>This forum is a template for criticising the Far Left. It was triggered by the recent Golliwog Cake incident in Sweden, so I will follow it with successive additions of the screams from the Leftist extremists. <br></br> <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-brilliance-of-swedens-shocking-golliwog-cake/256168/">http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-brilliance-of-swedens-shocking-golliwog-cake/256168/…</a></p>
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<p>This forum is a template for criticising the Far Left. It was triggered by the recent Golliwog Cake incident in Sweden, so I will follow it with successive additions of the screams from the Leftist extremists. <br/> <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-brilliance-of-swedens-shocking-golliwog-cake/256168/">http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-brilliance-of-swedens-shocking-golliwog-cake/256168/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-brilliance-of-swedens-shocking-golliwog-cake/256168/#comment-505554980">http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-brilliance-of-swedens-shocking-golliwog-cake/256168/#comment-505554980</a></p>
<p>First, here is my initial criticism of the Leftist mindset.<a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-brilliance-of-swedens-shocking-golliwog-cake/256168/"></a></p>
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<p>This incident is a perfect summary of the moral bankruptcy of the Far Left. Their defects are expressed in the acronym CHUU, standing for:</p>
<ul>
<li>Cowardly</li>
<li>Herd Mentality</li>
<li>Utopianist</li>
<li>Unprincipled</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>COWARDLY</strong><br/> FGM isn't just an African problem, its more precisely an Islamic problem. All discussion of FGM at the UN HRC was forbidden by the Egyptian delegate, even though the highest imam of Egypt supports it. Furthermore, FGM is more closely correlated to Islamic sub-populations than it is to all Africa:<br/> "It is also reported that FGM is practised among Muslim populations in parts of Malaysia, Pakistan, Indonesia and the Philippines." (see attached doc from the Metropolitan police).</p>
<p>The participants at this event are too cowardly to confront the problem head on in realistic terms, they just want to dance around it while polishing their halos.</p>
<p><strong>HERD MENTALITY / WITCH HUNT</strong><br/> Just as in previous times, when a village was afflicted with a natural disaster like drought or crop failure the mob would hunt for a solitary old witch to burn, the modern leftist mob hunts for sacrificial victims to avoid having to look at the real reasons for its social failures. More generally, the average leftist is just a sheep that wants to fit in with the herd and not deviate from the current fashionable narrative. Group think is safest, and it also saves all that pesky and boring time studying the relevant ideas - like reading the Quran/Sirah/Hadith or understanding the Elevator pitch in the right hand column of every page of 4F.</p>
<p>Note how all the participants in this ideological train crash are grinning like pumpkins, as RamZPaul points out. They are happy because they think that as long as they are with their own crowd of lemmings, they are on safe (ideological) ground. How wrong they are. But that collectivist mindset will always appeal to feeble minded types.</p>
<p>The participants at this event need to understand that life is not all about eating cake with friends, and that difficult problems require difficult and unpopular corrections, that you may have to pursue on your own, against the tide of public opinion.</p>
<p><strong>UTOPIANIST</strong><br/> These leftists do not understand the lesson and metaphor of the Garden of Eden. Experiments with very young children have shown that the more intelligent ones are more inclined to cheat and deceive than the others. That is why the apple of intelligence metaphorically implanted the seed of evil into man, and he was thenceforth banished from the Eden paradise (of simplistic innocence and trust), and forced to wander in a hostile and cruel world outside. Every person is not fundamentally good but just suffering from mistreatment in childhood or something, and even if it were physically possible to be absolutely nice and forgiving to every single human on the planet, there would still be a large percentage inclined to go out and lie, cheat, steal and commit violence.</p>
<p>The participants at this event believe that by being nice to Muslims, avoiding confrontational language and targeting them with cake centred events, they will somehow magically stop performing FGM. Its not going to happen. Strong, punitive measures need to be enforced in Western states to stop this practice. The Islamic log jam at the UN needs to be unblocked, and discussion on this topic must be allowed again.</p>
<p><b>UNPRINCIPLED</b><strong>: USE OF EXPEDIENCY OVER PRINCIPLE</strong><br/> The Leftist makes decisions based on expediency as opposed to principle. This means that in a choice between two paths, the one will be taken which offers the most voter support or which gives the least short term discomfort. Blair was the master of this kind of action by expediency with, it seems, ministerial decisions being taken on the basis of the latest UK poll - and look where that lead him!</p>
<p>A lifetime of making decisions on expediency leads to a morally bankrupt mindset, which is unable to react from instinct in a situation like this, so is easily made to look like a fool. To constantly fudge your principles and just sway like a reed in the wind with whatever fits at the time, is a form of intellectual dishonesty which leads to a deep moral rot.</p>
<p id="aeaoofnhgocdbnbeljkmbjdmhbcokfdb-mousedown">On the other hand, if you mostly make your decisions based on principle, then your decision making and instincts get stronger by the year. Its a painful path, because you will sometimes be running against the fashionable narrative and get criticism and hostility as a result, but it is a better path. For this reason, Musashi gave as the first of his 9 principles of learning the Way of Strategy as: "Do not think dishonestly". You need to decide your principles, then live your life by them come hell or high water, and in that way, your spirit will become stronger year by year.</p>
<p>As the old homily says: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". The Leftists end up in this moral rot for a perfectly good reason - it is extremely hard to remove contradiction from the various competing ideas in your mindset! So, we all want to be nice to all people, including all Muslims, but we can't all be nice to the Islamists, or, as Popper said, tolerance of the intolerant will lead to a totally intolerant society. So the Leftists try be tolerant to the misogynistic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, apostate killing Islamists, and wonder why things are not working out.</p>
<p>The participants at this event need to understand that if you constantly fudge your ideas when your principles seem to be clashing with each other, you will eventually lose your moral compass.<br/> ...<br/> Respect to the artist, Makode Aj Linde - this installation has a touch of genius about it.</p> Medieval Barbarity, the Criminal Justice System, and Nick Lowlestag:4freedoms.com,2012-04-16:3766518:Topic:994692012-04-16T04:05:32.779ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>The 4 Freedoms are the 4 principles which are antithetical to the 4 submissions of Islam.</p>
<p>There are other freedoms which we are supposed to receive, but actually, the Islamic state is in agreement with many of them, they are more like properties of states in general, and are not particular to Secular Democracy.</p>
<p>For example, there is the freedom from attack (by any non-state officer or by a state officer if you are not breaking the law). The corollary to this freedom is that…</p>
<p>The 4 Freedoms are the 4 principles which are antithetical to the 4 submissions of Islam.</p>
<p>There are other freedoms which we are supposed to receive, but actually, the Islamic state is in agreement with many of them, they are more like properties of states in general, and are not particular to Secular Democracy.</p>
<p>For example, there is the freedom from attack (by any non-state officer or by a state officer if you are not breaking the law). The corollary to this freedom is that you agree to give up carrying weapons and pursing personal vendettas, because the state is supposed to protect you and exact vengeance in the form of justice, for you.</p>
<p>Islam is in agreement with the above principle, in fact, you could say that in some ways, it is better at recognising it, now that <em>our</em> perception of that principle has been distorted by decades of social engineering under the guise of reform of the legal and punishment system.</p>
<p>I've noticed for some time how, as our 'correctional' systems become more and more 21st century, the crimes become more and more medieval. We read of commonplace crimes now that would have been unheard of a few decades ago. I remember one incident where a passer by saw a man being beaten by 2 others. The passer by joined in, and kicked the man's head till his brain could be seen sticking out of his skull. That kicked man later testified in court in a wheelchair, totally disabled, saying his life was finished, and stating that his attacker should be executed. Of course his attacker won't, he'll have a nice time in prison, with good food, dental and medical care, and come out to a life on benefits, with all basic needs provided for by the state, and a change of identity (cost about £0.5million) if there's any risk to his person.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should call the liberals that constantly push for weaker and weaker reforms of the criminal justice systems, 'medieval liberals', since that is the direction they are clearly pushing us, whether they intend it or not.</p>
<p>With the crime below, I feel we have plumbed an even deeper nadir of societal decadence and depravity. This crime is a crime for which, in a sense, we are all responsible. And this poor woman is a victim about whom society does not care - a very contentious statement but I stand by it - because, <em>no measures will be taken to ensure that this does not happen again</em>, no tougher punishments (or executions) will take place to ensure that that perpetrator simply cannot function again, and, sad to say, although she may be the first woman to suffer in this way (in the UK), she's probably not the last.</p>
<p>Finally, just to add salt to the wound, while all this medieval barbarity is going on around us, together with acid attacks from unwanted suitors, honour killings and forced FGM - to reference just one of our Victim Protection Rooms, where are all our so-called Human Rights organisations, and oh-so-caring Leftist useful idiots like Nick Lowles for example? Of course, they are working hard to ensure that the slightest whims of the Islamists are met, that the legal protections for vulnerable women and others are removed, that the principle of EQUITY in our legal system is dissolved, and that the concept of free speech as 'free from anyone having the right to take offence at what you say and shut you down' - has become just a distant memory. And of course, they are working hard to try and destroy people like you and me, who are trying to protect the 14 Victim groups. What terrible, low grade people they are.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14150048" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14150048</a></p> The landscape is changing: Muslim Paedophile Grooming, BNP and EDLtag:4freedoms.com,2012-03-01:3766518:Topic:968342012-03-01T02:41:07.426ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p>Its too early to say where its going, but the 2 events I've copied to this forum show that the political landscape is changing.</p>
<p>In the first one, Nick Griffin of the BNP states that the authorities are to blame for incubating the appalling conditions which allowed years of paedophile grooming of underage girls in the North, and the consequent street violence against that. I'm sure that previously they would have just distanced themselves from any form of violence. I guess they've…</p>
<p>Its too early to say where its going, but the 2 events I've copied to this forum show that the political landscape is changing.</p>
<p>In the first one, Nick Griffin of the BNP states that the authorities are to blame for incubating the appalling conditions which allowed years of paedophile grooming of underage girls in the North, and the consequent street violence against that. I'm sure that previously they would have just distanced themselves from any form of violence. I guess they've realised that its pointless trying to be whiter-than-white because the media will never give you and kudos for that and paint you black regardless. So you might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb, and at least get your real message out - that the authorities are the ones to blame. (And I managed to say all of that without saying <em>"chickens have come home to roost" :-) </em>).</p>
<p>In the second one, the BNP removes its proscription on the EDL. They tie themselves in a few knots on the Gay issue and Israel, but ignoring that, what are they trying to achieve? Perhaps they are worried by the British Freedom Party concept, or perhaps its an extension of the point I made above, that since the media have a <em>"heads I win; tails you lose"</em> approach to the right wing, you may as well ally with whoever you can, because you are going to get crapped upon anyway.</p>
<p>So now I'll paste the two articles.<br/> <strong>______________________________________________________________________________________</strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>Grooming gang Muslims face wrath of English locals</strong></strong></p>
<p>“<em>There is no point the police and media blaming ‘mindless yobs’ for these disturbances. Such ignorant and insulting snobbery will only make things worse.</em><strong>Following the disturbances last night in the Lancashire town of Heywood, in which some 300 local anti-grooming protesters fought running battles with police and Muslim taxi-drivers, Nick Griffin MEP has issued the following statement and appeal:</strong></p>
<p>"<em>The police, press, politicians and middle class social services and education authority bosses have<img src="http://campaigns.bnp.org.uk/public_images/142662/images/heywood.jpg" align="right" width="327" height="252"/><br/> ignored or belittled the legitimate grievances of the English community in towns such as Heywood for years. It is time they came down from their ivory towers and listened to the well-founded concerns of real people on real streets</em>.<br/> <br/> “<em>Take-aways and Muslim taxi firms are the rotten core of three intertwined social evils: the paedophile grooming and gang-rape of young girls, violent race-hate attacks on young lads, and the heroin trade. Popular outrage over these problems is not ‘mindless hooliganism’ or ‘racism’; it is the direct result of more than a decade of police failure. Under such circumstances, English community self-defence is no offence – the only surprise is that it has taken so long.</em><br/> <br/> “<em>I spoke out about the unaddressed evil of Muslim grooming gangs preying on young girls from other communities back in 2004. The police reaction was to turn a blind eye to those sickening crimes. Instead they arrested me and twice put me on trial under a perverse law that says that telling the truth is no defence. The media reaction was to censor the election broadcast the British National Party made to draw attention to the plight of thousands of vulnerable victims and their families.</em><br/> <br/> “<em>If the police and courts had done their duty and taken effective action years ago, the towns of northern England would not now be a powder keg of communal tensions. If the police act now against the paedophile groomers, the anti-English ethnic cleansers and the narco-jihad heroin pushers, then they can still defuse the time-bomb ticking away in Heywood and in dozens of other towns.</em><br/> <br/> “<em>The recent arrests and the current trials of grooming suspects show that the police are able to act, but they are still pussyfooting around. 47 Muslim paedophile suspects facing trial is a start, but everyone knows that this is only the tip of the iceberg. If the police are serious about heading off trouble, they need to arrest hundreds of these criminals and to close down the shops and taxi firms that they use as the bases for their crimes against our community.</em><br/> <br/> “<em>If, instead of enforcing the law and protecting the hitherto patient majority, the police turn on the protesters and the media demonise them, then the righteous anger over grooming, anti-English violence and the heroin jihad will explode on a far bigger scale. The authorities must understand that the protests in Heywood last night may be the last warning they get, the last chance to put justice before political correctness, and the last opportunity to convince working class communities that they don’t have to take the law into their own hands.</em><br/> <br/> “<em>Muslim leaders must also do the right thing. They need to act, right now, to distance their community from the criminal minority bringing shame on them all. Rather than joining in the ritual condemnations of ‘Islamophobia’, I appeal to them to call on their people to put their own house in order and hand the groomers, the thugs and the pushers over to the police.</em><br/> <br/> “<em>Clear and decisive action to show that not all Muslims sympathise with the paedophile grooming and beating of Unbelievers, would do more than anything else to defuse the situation and to protect the many Asian-owned businesses which are not involved in these crimes.</em><br/> <br/> “<em>As the only high-ranking elected voice of the long-ignored English majority, I also appeal directly to the protesters: Do not blame innocent Asians. Blame the people who most deserve the blame – the politicians, police bosses and media editors who first created and then ignored these threats to our community.</em><br/> <br/> “<em>Don’t rise to provocations or give the Powers That Be the chance to arrest and demonise you. The anger against the groomers is understandable and justified, but the solution is not to burn shops run by paedophile groomers, but to BOYCOTT them. The only way to deal with these people is not to deal with them. </em><br/> <br/> “<em>And the only way to get politicians on our side is to vote out the ones who aren’t – that means entire families, whole workplaces, entire pubs and whole communities taking a solemn vow never to vote Labour, LibDem or Tory ever again. Those parties have spent years pandering to the Muslim block vote by putting the handcuffs of political correctness on the police. They’re all the same, they’re all to blame!</em>”</p>
<p>Mr Griffin also added that the news from Heywood, and of similar concerns in both Rochdale and Oldham, makes it even more important that as many people as possible attend the demonstration in Hyde tomorrow at 11am.</p>
<p>Make sure you do your bit to protect English children. <strong>Join me and many others on our demo to demand justice for English victims of race-hate attacks and force the police to take action against the criminals in the Muslim community who commit these vile actions. We need you tomorrow... make plans today!</strong></p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
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<p><strong>Nick Griffin MEP</strong><br/> Chairman, British National Party</p>
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<h2 class="bnp-postheader">An opportunity to be seized - Why we have lifted the proscription on the English Defence League</h2>
<div class="bnp-nodedate">Sat, 25/02/2012 - 11:00</div>
<div class="bnp-nodedate"><strong>A number of people have asked why we have recently made a point of co-operating with English Defence League members when contact with that organisation was previously discouraged. Nick Griffin MEP explains the position.</strong></div>
<div class="bnp-postcontent"><div class="bnp-article"><p><br/> Not long after it first emerged, the English Defence League was proscribed by the British National Party. While we had sympathy with a large part of the EDL´s message, several things concerned us greatly.<br/> <br/> First, we felt it all too possible that the media would exploit the EDL´s boisterous activities in order to smear us by association. <br/> <br/> Second, looking at the way in which the police were permitting activities which would previously have been stamped on from the start, we concluded that it could well be being used by the State to create a ´honeytrap´ for sincere but unwary patriots. <br/> <br/> Third, we recognised the behind the scenes links between sections of the EDL´s national leadership and a neo-con/extreme Zionist clique in Canada and the USA. <br/> <br/> The EDL’s very effective internet presence, sophisticated personalised clothing operation and the supply of coaches that were critical to getting it off the ground, were all financed not out of the pockets of its overwhelmingly working class grass-roots, but by a tight-knit group of wealthy businessmen. Such people don’t ‘invest’ in something like the English Defence League by accident.<br/> <br/> As this statement is prepared, the National Chairman of the EDL’s ‘political wing’ is on a speaking tour of North America. On Monday, for example, he addressed the Canadian Zionist Congress at their headquarters in Toronto.<br/> <br/> While we recognise the right of all peoples to a homeland, and the various advantages of the Jewish people being secure in their own, we were very concerned at what appeared to be efforts to use the EDL to manipulate popular opinion in Britain in favour of our country´s involvement in neo-con foreign adventures that are nothing to do us and not in our national interest. <br/> <br/> We have Jewish members, probably more than the EDL, but we don’t make a song and dance of it. A minority of our non-Jewish members are pro-Zionist, many are firmly anti-Zionist. The majority takes the Nationalist position that what happens in the Middle East is none of our business. We are against anyone trying to involve Britain and to waste blood or treasure on behalf of either side.<br/> <br/> Israeli flags have no more place on street demonstrations in Britain than Palestinian ones. That kind of thing only helps to further radicalise young Muslims and to add to their hostility to all things British.<br/> <br/> All the above factors played a role in our early decision to proscribe the English Defence League and its offshoots. In recent months, however, we have reassessed the situation in the light of subsequent developments.<br/> <br/> On the first point, after several major media ´plugs´ for, and several major smears against, the EDL, the fact is that it has carved out a loose mass following among a whole new generation of young working and middle class Brits. Scores of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of them have developed a basic political and ethnic awareness thanks to the existence and activities of the EDL and its Scottish and Welsh sub-sections. <br/> <br/> Whatever the ultimate aims of those behind it, when the history of the indigenous fight back in these islands comes to be written, the organisation will be recorded as having played a significant role.<br/> <br/> With the EDL nationally now riven by factionalism and dissent, however, there is a serious risk that this following, influence and energy will go to waste. If the EDL recovers its cohesion, all well and good, we´ll be pleased to see that good work continuing. But if it doesn´t, we cannot afford to turn our backs on this reservoir of new awareness among the young generation.<br/> <br/> On the second point – the obvious interest of sections of the State in the operation - our analysis is now widely recognised among the EDL´s intelligent and increasingly sophisticated ´middle management` as having been well-founded - which automatically reduces the danger. Quite simply, a honeytrap is only any use if potential targets don´t see the danger.<br/> <br/> Further, the police launched an outrageous mass arrest of EDL members at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day, as a blatantly obvious way of placating the Muslim community following the ban on Muslims Against Crusades. This event showed clearly why the State had allowed the EDL to take off: They wanted a plausible opportunity to say to Muslims "look at this, we´re not just picking on Muslim extremists, we´ve roughed up that nasty English Defence League as well." <br/> <br/> We came out very firmly against that totally uncalled for police attack on the EDL at the Cenotaph, but at least the incident made it totally clear what the Powers That Be were thinking about when they first let the EDL run. Once something is understood in this way, initial fears about who is playing what game and why quickly dissipate.<br/> <br/> On the third point – the EDL leadership’s links with and promotion by Zionists - the issue is still there. Indeed, the recent link-up between the official EDL, the well-connected and pro-Zionist businessman Paul Weston and a clique of ex-BNP back-stabbers led by the man who took our website down just before the last General Election, all makes us even more wary of the motivation of some of those involved at the top.<br/> <br/> Equally, however, there has clearly been a massive shift within the English Defence League´s regional and local organisation, and rank-and-file, to an understanding of, and opposition to, the danger of being used as pawns in a neo-con game.<br/> <br/> The problem is not the English Defence League, still less its huge pool of loosely affiliated support, but a handful of people at the top and behind the scenes. Most important of all, those people no longer command the respect or support of many of those nominally beneath them. So here too, there is a serious risk that, if the EDL continues to fragment, its remarkable achievement as a social networking/mobile phone/grass-roots word of mouth organisation could simply break up and vanish.<br/> <br/> This would be a tragedy, because the threat of Islamisation that made the EDL both timely and necessary is still there. Islam-based evils, such as paedophile grooming and racist attacks on young indigenous lads on the edges of their growing ghettoes, are increasing. Betrayal of our people, civilisation, Christian heritage and democratic freedoms, by a cowardly dhimmified elite, continues. These things have to be resisted by more than just fighting elections.<br/> <br/> On top of all that, the pressure on the EDL´s leadership by its rank and file has over the last few months (particularly during the August riots) forced them to adopt a position that has significantly advanced from their early civic nationalism. <br/> <br/> Taken as a whole, and whatever the organisation says, it is now in spirit essentially the ethno-nationalist creation that its name always implied. Of course, that doesn´t mean that it´s hostile to integrated Sikhs or West Indians, but nor are we. <br/> <br/> Yes, it has a few gay members Big deal, so has the British National Party. The EDL leadership have played the PC card by flaunting this fact with ridiculous talk of a ´Gay Division´. We prefer to leave it in the closet, because private sexuality that someone was born with is something that is not the business of either a political party or the State. Whichever one prefers, it is obviously a million miles from the Islamist desire to persecute homosexuals and throw them off tall buildings or stone them to death.<br/> <br/> To sum up: Despite major differences between us and them at both organisational and ideological levels, the British National Party – and the Cause as a whole – has more to gain than lose by giving its members a free hand in approaching and working with sensible members of the English Defence League.<br/> <br/> Most of all, the Islamist presence that threatens the very survival of our civilisation and the freedom of our people provides us with an example from which all of us must learn: Whatever their many differences of opinion and rivalries, when the chips are down, the Muslims always unite and make common cause against the Unbelievers.<br/> <br/> While ‘Tommy Robinson’ tries to curry favour with the editors of the Zionist-backed gutter press by declaring the British National Party to be ‘unwelcome’, ‘racist’, etc, etc, Muslim organisations, aiming to take power in Britain, stand shoulder to shoulder and make common cause against a divided opposition.<br/> <br/> This needs to stop – and fast! The brave young men standing in defence of their community against grooming and anti-English violence in Heywood this weekend are showing that our people can and will rise up against the evils wrought by the political elite and the Islamist predator they have let loose in our land.<br/> <br/> They need and deserve a powerful and united nationalist movement to stand with them. We believe that our move to make it easier for grass-roots nationalists to work together will be an important step to bringing that powerful and united movement one step closer. </p>
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</div> Tony Blair and the Failed 'Quartet'tag:4freedoms.com,2012-02-08:3766518:Topic:956402012-02-08T15:45:27.947ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
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<p><span>Thank you for following the Saban Center newsletter. In 2012, we will continue to provide you with research and commentary on Middle East policy. In addition to the quarterly newsletter you already receive, we'll begin sending you periodic email alerts such as this one highlighting our experts' analysis on the latest developments in the region. </span><br/><br/><a href="http://sm.brookings.edu/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=14311&messageid=15310&databaseid=736&serial=16783660&emailid=alanlake2@gmail.com&userid=1_3970&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2000&&&http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2012/02_middle_east_elgindy_b.aspx" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/Images/Newsletters/saban/middle_east_quartet_thumb.jpg" align="left" border="0" hspace="5"/></a><span>In late January, after five rounds of exploratory discussions in Jordan, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators failed to meet the Middle East Quartet's deadline for resuming direct negotiations. The meetings were the latest attempt by the Quartet (made up of the four most powerful players in the Middle East peace process- the United States, the European Union, Russia, and the United Nations) to guide the parties toward a peace agreement, and the failure was another blow both to the parties themselves and the group's efforts in the region. Is it now time to rethink the place of the Quartet in the peace process? Have the group's actions over the past decade been beneficial or detrimental to the quest for peace? And, if not the Quartet, then who? </span><br/><br/><span>The Saban Center is pleased to present its newest Analysis Paper, </span><a href="http://sm.brookings.edu/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=14311&messageid=15310&databaseid=736&serial=16783660&emailid=alanlake2@gmail.com&userid=1_3970&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2001&&&http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2012/02_middle_east_elgindy_b.aspx" target="_blank">The Middle East Quartet: A Post-Mortem</a><span>, authored by Saban Center Visiting Fellow Khaled Elgindy. The paper comes ten years after the formation of the Quartet and takes a critical look at the group's record. By examining the Quartet's major initiatives, including the Roadmap, the paper questions whether the group is doing more harm than good in bringing the sides together. In particular, the paper delves into several of the factors, such as the group's composition and the interests of its members, that have hindered, and at times made impossible, success. In arguing that the time has come to move on from the Quartet, the paper offers recommendations for ensuring any future multilateral group has a better chance of accomplishing its mission. </span><br/><br/><span>You can </span><a href="http://sm.brookings.edu/track?type=click&eas=1&mailingid=14311&messageid=15310&databaseid=736&serial=16783660&emailid=alanlake2@gmail.com&userid=1_3970&targetid=&fl=&extra=MultivariateId=&&&2002&&&http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2012/02_middle_east_elgindy/02_middle_east_elgindy_b.pdf" target="_blank">access the paper (PDF) here</a><span>. Please feel free to send your comments to the Saban Center at</span><a href="mailto:sabancenter@brookings.edu" target="_blank">sabancenter@brookings.edu</a><span>. </span></p> Extremism, Media Bias, and Tactical Lessons - by Joetag:4freedoms.com,2012-01-09:3766518:Topic:932022012-01-09T01:04:41.830ZAlan Lakehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/AlanLake
<p><span class="font-size-2"><strong><em>{This was originally a comment by <a href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/profile/GayBoyEDL" target="_self">Joe</a> made <a href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/uk/forum/topics/new-jdl-uk-group?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A93131&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255" target="_self">here</a>, which I've turned into an article of its own.}</em></strong></span></p>
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<p><span>Rather than get side-tracked on a discussion about Exodus…</span></p>
<p><span class="font-size-2"><strong><em>{This was originally a comment by <a href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/profile/GayBoyEDL" target="_self">Joe</a> made <a href="http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/uk/forum/topics/new-jdl-uk-group?commentId=3766518%3AComment%3A93131&groupId=3766518%3AGroup%3A255" target="_self">here</a>, which I've turned into an article of its own.}</em></strong></span></p>
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<p><span>Rather than get side-tracked on a discussion about Exodus and the history of slavery/serfdom, I'd like to focus on the idea that it is a tactical advantage to shun "extremists".</span><br/> <br/> <span>The dichotomy between extremist/moderate is almost useless. They are used in relationship to each other, and depending on how "extreme" the extremist side is, what is considered "moderate" can slide up to occupy the territory of what was previously considered "extremist".</span><br/> <br/> <span>Let's take the case of Salman Rushdie. In 1989 when muslims started to burn The Satanic Verses and say how they were going to murder him following a fatwa from an Iranian mullah, they seemed like extremists. After what we've seen with 9/11, 7/7, political assassinations in Britain, Holland, Denmark, Norway, etc., and the murder of nuns elsewhere over an (alleged) drawing of Mohammed, those Pakistanis marching round Bolton burning a novel they never read seem rather quaint. And they don't seem particularly extreme compared to what came afterwards.</span><br/> <br/> <span>If 30 years ago someone had advocated replacing democracy in Britain with a dictatorship, where much of the population was to be subservient to the party of the dictator, and the dictatorship would be structured for permanent warfare, it would have been considered outrageously "extremist". Yet at a talk 12 months ago, the gay muslim group IMAAN could state (without any comment from the audience) "we welcome the Caliphate". Clearly, it's no longer considered an extreme position (or at least it isn't considered extreme when stated by muslims in the context of a university).</span><br/> <br/> <span>It's clear from the reporting of Israel, that the western world holds Israel to a different standard than that to which they hold arabs and muslims. All 56 muslim states can say that they reject the UN Declaration of Human Rights, and it receives no publicity over a 30 year period. Yet the vast majority of resolutions by the UN General Assembly and the UNHCR single out Israel.</span><br/> <br/> <span>It hasn't done Israel much good in setting higher standards than the surrounding barbarians. The media report any possible mis-step by Israel, whilst ignoring massive abuses by Turkey, Iraq, Iran, etc. Israel is only a much less prominent focus for news items in the west currently because of "the wall" (the fence). As the old saying goes "strong fences make for good neighbours".</span><br/> <br/> <span>Frankly I don't see what jews have got to lose in adopting Kahanism. After all, the left and muslims already routinely describe Israel as "a terrorist state". The UN is already corrupt enough to spend a massively disproportionate amount of time judging Israel negatively, whilst letting barbaric nations get away with behaviour that should have them routinely kicked ouf ot the UN. The media has been setting Israel up for criticism and hostility for generations.</span><br/> <br/> <span>What's so "extreme" about Kahanism? Norway sets itself up as the "moral leader" of the world. Yet the Norwegian constitution in the 19th century stipulated that jews could not set foot in Norway. And Norway was doing that without a systematic campaign of suicide bombings from jews.</span><br/> <br/> <span>If one looks at the (probably communist biased) entry here: </span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahanism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahanism</a><br/> <br/> <span>yet compares it with the timeline of attacks by muslims here:</span><br/> <br/> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks#1993_.281_bombing.29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks#19...</a><br/> <span>and here:</span><br/> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Suicide+and+Other+Bombing+Attacks+in+Israel+Since.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+...</a><br/> <br/> <span>it is clear that any Kahanist-related attacks were minimal compared to the muslim attacks. The wikipedia article on Kahane makes it clear that he was driven by reaction. His policies and statements were a response to the intransigence and hatred from muslims. Why should Kahane and the JDL not respond that way?</span><br/> <br/> <span>Muslims attacking Israel (and other western targets) are generally regarded by the media as having "just cause". Jews doing the same thing to muslims are considered "evil" or "loons". I'm pretty sure if the UK had experienced the same level of muslim violence as Israel has experienced, we'd have seen the British people acting as "extremists".</span><br/> <br/> <span>Both Hamas and Fatah are dedicated to the destruction of Israel, so why is a jew-only Israel considered "extremist"? The muslims in that area have been trying to wipe out the jews there since at least the 1920s. Most people in the media probably already believe that Israel is an occupying colonialist force, that it is a country run on jewish religious law, that it does not grant citizenship to non-jews.</span><br/> <br/> <span>When I was in Tel Aviv last year, I saw muslim fundamentalist families down by the beach. No-one was looking askance at them. No-one appeared to be avoiding them (despite a suicide bombing a few hundred metres from that spot 10 years earlier). Yet if I visit a park in London when the muslims are having a (so-called) "community festival", I'm treated like a pariah. We've had muslim immigrants in Britain attacking evangelists who enter muslim enclaves, we've had other muslims telling members of the gorvernment "you are not permitted to enter this area, it's for muslims only". None of these people are regarded as "extremists". Our government only seem to legislate that someone is an extremist if he advocates violence (that seems to be the distinction they make between "islamists" and "islamist extremists"). But violence has many manifestations, and we've seen from the riots last summer, that when such mob violence breaks out, the British police are totally unprepared to deal with it.</span><br/> <br/> <span>Perhaps if Kahanism was followed there would be an overall diminution of violence in Israel. If the west ends up fragmenting into autonomous muslim enclaves, that will be Kahanism.</span><br/> <br/> <span>Jews associated with EDL were being "denounced" by the UAF and other jew-hating communists as "Kahanists" before I'd ever heard anyone associated with EDL making any mention of Kahane. Zionist was no longer enough of an "insult", so they had to step it up.</span><br/> <br/> <span>4Freedoms is not a political party looking for votes, nor a street movement relying on a public reputation in order to get more members. Why should 4F be concerned about currying favour with the media? The media have shown their bias towards islam in the past 50 years (and their bias against Israel), such that we've gone from < 0.1% of the population in 1960 to around 5% in 2010. And throughout that massive change, the public has mostly been ignorant and ill-informed about the nature of islam (myself included).</span><br/> <br/> <span>The media have shown their bias with the campaigns they take up (Stephen Lawrence, but not Gavin Hopley). The media have shown that if anyone has any contact with them, the media will finger that person for assault (or more). Pim Fortuyn predicted his own death, following the media's vicious campaign of demonisation against him.</span><br/> <br/> <span>Rather than considering Kahanism as something beyond the pale, I think it is something we should be learning more about, not dismissing it out of hand. Israel is probably run by a power elite, just as every country is. And such power elites will do anything to hold on to their power. Kahane was probably a threat to vested interests in Israel.</span><br/> <br/> <span>And we should definitely be learning to defeat islam by being able to think ourselves into the minds of muslims.</span></p>