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It takes a nation to protect the nation

Again, I realised too late that this is an important category.  Please add a post for any I've forgotten.

Geert Wilders, 12 Feb 2009:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7882953.stm

Michael Savage, 6 May 2009:  http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/06/world/fg-britain-list6

Pamela Geller, 26 Jun 2013:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23064355

Robert Spencer, 26 Jun 2013:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23064355

Richard Spencer, June 2016:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/12/u-k...

Brittany Pettibone: 12 Mar 2018:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5490911/Martin-Sellner-Brit...

Martin Sellner, 12 Mar 2018:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5490911/Martin-Sellner-Brit...

Abel Bodi, 12 Mar 2018:  https://www.generation-identity.org.uk/martin-sellner-and-bodi-abel...

Lauren Southern, 13 Mar 2018:  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lauren-southern-far...

Lutz Bachmann, 19 Mar 2018:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/19/lutz-bachmann-pegida-...

Tan (Speakers Corner), 18 Apr 2018:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsMXZUK3Fx8

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The case with Tan is perhaps the most shocking.

I'm trying to find out the order of events.  Did he go on holiday to Paris, only to be refused re-entry?  Did he go to Paris to film something with TR and then was not allowed to return?  Or most sinister of all: was he deported to France?

I had been planning to go and meet him to explain to him that the state would find any easy excuse to shut him down.  If he'd been white, he'd have been prosecuted for some form of "hate speech" long ago.

Besides having balls of steel, he had some interesting ideas. He seemed to be on the verge of creating his own religion.  I planned to meet him and encourage him to do this. He had declared himself the final prophet. We need to fight fire with fire.  Our opposition to Islam needs to be expressed as a new religion. Let them persecute people for a non-violent religion, which met every day to denounce Muslims.  Make them ban that new religion.

Tan had the charisma and humour to actually attract people to this new religion.  I could see from tracking comments on him by non-Muslims.  They really would have been ready to declare themselves the new Jedi of the counter-jihad.

Its important to start tracking these; we'd all forgotten about Lutz Bachmann.

I read on twitter that Tan only had a 6 month visa, and he couldn't get it renewed, so couldn't get back in.  The perfidy of the state, and its complicity in our replacement, is disgusting.  

https://twitter.com/TanSpeakersCor?lang=en

I had been in the process of arranging to meet him, to tell him he needed to get on firm ground before he continued like this.  He was denied entry just days after I started to arrange the meeting.

If one looks up blasphemy cases in Malaysia, people have been imprisoned for far less than that Tan was saying.  Even if Malaysian do not claim jurisdiction outside of Malaysia, he will be a marked man in Malaysia (and he is very distinctive, with tattoos on his neck and face).  Malaysian law is based on English law, and English courts do imprison Brits for acts done abroad (e.g. Gary Glitter).

Hmm. I was wondering about his position in Malaysia as well.  Its a shame he didn't connect with some pre-existing group who could have filled him in - but there again, what group would he connect with?  We're all so fragmented and mis-represented.  Looks like a lost opportunity.

A guest speaker from Europe? Exciting! Considering the recent exclusions and arrests of speakers on our side of the political divide it may be a bit tricky bringing in someone who is supportive of us. But then again, with the open borders we have, it must be doable!

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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