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Managers and skilled workers make up bulk of far right supporters

Half the supporters of the far right English Defence League (EDL) are respectable managers and white collar workers, a report has revealed.

 

The study found the image of young unemployed people alienated by tough economic times and turning to the anti-Muslim and anti-immigration group was a myth.

In fact half of sympathizers are in full time work, almost one in five is university educated and more than two thirds own their own home.

The report, by the think tank Chatham House, warns ministers and those combating extremism need to reassess who they target.

Its author, Dr Matthew Goodwin, also warns that the EDL is part of a new breed of far right extremism that is more “confrontational and unpredictable” and more likely to support violence on the streets.

He describes the new groups as “counter-Jihad” and said supporters believe violence between white Britons and Muslims was not only justified but imminent.

More than 1,666 people were polled for the study, of which 298 identified themselves as EDL supporters.

The report, The Roots of Extremism, found 53 per cent of sympathisers were in professional, management or non-manual jobs and another quarter were in skilled work.

Only three per cent were unemployed and 60 per cent were aged over 45.

Groups like the EDL also shun images such as “racial supremacism” and actively sought to recruit people from Jewish, Sikh, Pakistani, Christian and gay communities, the report said.

Dr Goodwin said: “Some of the best known stereotypes about counter-Jihad supporters are wrong.

“Policy approaches that frame the counter-Jihad challenge as being primarily a phenomenon among deprived working class communities should be reassessed.”

He said supporters are also not anti-democracy and are more likely to vote than the average citizen.

However, he also warned that the new forms of far right extremism, like the EDL, are more “confrontational, chaotic and unpredictable” that established extremist political parties.

Many who identify with them are more likely to favour street confrontations with Islamic groups than political battles.

“Most appear united by the belief that a period of group conflict and chaos is imminent,” the report said.

They “appear united by the expectation that the country will soon descend into communal violence and are more likely than their fellow citizens to view violence as a justifiable course of action to counter ‘extremists’”.

Which partially explains why the Left have been so wrong-footed by EDL.

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Dr Matthew Goodwin has been designated an expert on these matters for some years now.  But I cannot figure out what he is an expert on.  He trots out the same phrases and warnings, 'far right', 'extremism', etc.  But for an expert he is seriously lacking in detail and specifics.  I have been involved with the EDL for 3 years now and know no one who has been spoken to or interviewed by Dr Matthew Goodwin.  With this new report it looks like his expertise will be in even more demand by our media and political elites who want to know how to handle this new counter jihad movement.  Why not just ask us?

I also suggest that Dr Matthew Goodwin learn something about Islam.  He never mentions it except to suggest that those who have studied it and are in the EDL or the CJ movement are extremists and far right.

Like the medieval scholars, Goodwin's expertise is the modern-day version of counting the angels dancing on the head of a pin.  He's like a 17th century zoologist who couldn't draw a rhinoceros because he's never left Blighty.

I wonder if he regards people like Walter Laqueur as "fascists".  After all, Laqueur wrote a book in 2007 detailing how the islamisation, collapse and civil strife in western europe were inevitable.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Last-Days-Europe-Continent/dp/0312368704

The problem for Herr Doctor Goodwin, is that Laqueur was a jew who fled the Nazis and went to work on a socialist Kibbutz in Palestine.  Laqueur was a professor of history and politics and Harvard and Georgetown (among others).  He received two Guggenheim Fellowships.  He was a world expert on communism, fascism, nazism, and terrorism. He had an incredible list of publications.

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  • Nasser's Egypt, London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1957.
  • Co-edited with George Lichtheim The Soviet Cultural Scene, 1956–1957, New York : Praeger, 1958.
  • The Middle East in Transition : Studies in Contemporary History, New York : Praeger, 1958.
  • The Soviet Union and the Middle East, London, Routledge K. Paul 1959.
  • Co-edited with Leopold Labedz Polycentrism : the New Factor in International Communism, New York : Praeger, 1962.
  • Young Germany : a History of the German Youth Movement, New York : Basic Books, 1962.
  • Neue Welle in der Sowjetunion : Beharrung und Fortschritt in Literatur und Kunst, Wien : Europa Verlag, 1964.
  • Russia and Germany; A Century of Conflict, London, Weidenfeld and Nicolson 1965.
  • Co-edited with George L. Mosse 1914: The Coming of the First World War, New York, Harper & Row 1966.
  • Co-edited with George L. Mosse Education and Social Structure in the Twentieth Century, New York : Harper & Row, 1967.
  • The Fate of the Revolution : Interpretations of Soviet History, London : Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1967.
  • The Road to Jerusalem; The Origins of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, 1967, New York, Macmillan 1968.
  • The Road to War, 1967 : the Origins of the Arab-Israel Conflict, London : Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1969.
  • Co-written with George Mosse Linksintellektuelle zwischen den beiden Weltkriegen, München : Nymphenburger Verlagshandlung, 1969.
  • The Struggle for the Middle East : the Soviet Union in the Mediterranean, 1958–1968, London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1969.
  • Europe Since Hitler, London : Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1970.
  • A Dictionary of Politics, London : Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1971 ISBN 0-297-00091-8.
  • Out of the Ruins of Europe, New York : Library Press, 1971 ISBN 0-912050-01-2.
  • Co-edited with Bernard Krikler A Readers Guide to Contemporary History, London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1972, ISBN 0-297-99465-4.
  • A History of Zionism, London, Weidenfeld and Nicolson 1972. ISBN 0-03-091614-3
  • Neo-Isolationism and the World of the Seventies, New York: Library Press, 1972 ISBN 0-912050-38-1.
  • Confrontation : the Middle-East War and World Politics', London : Wildwood House, 1974 ISBN 0-7045-0096-5.
  • Co-edited with George L. Mosse Historians in Politics, London : Sage Publications, 1974 ISBN 0-8039-9930-5.
  • Weimar, a Cultural History, 1918–1933, London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1974 ISBN 0-297-76574-4.
  • (Editor) Fascism : a Reader's Guide : Analyses, Interpretations, Bibliography, Berkeley : University of California Press, 1976 ISBN 0-520-03033-8.
  • Terrorism, Boston : Little, Brown, 1977 ISBN 0-316-51470-5.
  • Guerrilla : a Historical and Critical Study, London : Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1977 ISBN 0-297-77184-1.
  • (Editor) The Guerrilla Reader : a Historical Anthology, Philadelphia : Temple University Press, 1977 ISBN 0-87722-095-6.
  • (Editor) The Terrorism Reader : a Historical Anthology, Philadelphia : Temple University Press, 1978, ISBN 0-87722-119-7.
  • Co-edited with Barry Rubin The Human Rights Reader, Philadelphia : Temple University Press, 1979 ISBN 0-87722-170-7.
  • A Continent Astray : Europe, 1970–1978, New York : Oxford University Press, 1979 ISBN 0-19-502510-5.
  • The Missing Years : a Novel, Boston : Little, Brown, 1980 ISBN 0-316-51472-1.
  • The Terrible Secret : Suppression of the Truth about Hitler's "Final Solution", Boston ; Toronto : Little, Brown, 1980 ISBN 0-316-51474-8.
  • The Political Psychology of Appeasement : Finlandization and Other Unpopular Essays, New Brunswick, N.J. : Transaction Books, 1980 ISBN 0-87855-336-3.
  • "Hollanditis: A New Stage in European Neutralism" from Commentary, August 1981.
  • (Editor) The Second World War : Essays in Military and Political History, London : Sage Publications, 1982 ISBN 0-8039-9780-9.
  • America, Europe, and the Soviet Union : Selected Essays, New Brunswick, N.J. : Transaction Books, 1983 ISBN 0-87855-362-2.
  • (Editor) The Pattern of Soviet Conduct in the Third World, New York, N.Y. : Praeger, 1983 ISBN 0-03-063944-1.
  • Looking Forward, Looking Back : a Decade of World Politics, New York : Praeger, 1983 ISBN 0-03-063422-9.
  • Co-edited with Barry Rubin The Israel-Arab Reader : a Documentary History of the Middle East Conflict, New York, N.Y. : Penguin Books, 1984 ISBN 0-14-022588-9.
  • Germany Today : A Personal Report, Boston : Little, Brown, 1985 ISBN 0-316-51453-5.
  • A World of Secrets : the Uses and Limits of Intelligence, New York : Basic Books, 1985 ISBN 0-465-09237-3.
  • Co-edited with Robert Hunter European Peace Movements and the Future of the Western Alliance, New Brunswick, US : Transaction Books, 1985 ISBN 0-88738-035-2
  • Co-written with Richard Breitman Breaking The Silence, New York : Simon and Schuster, 1986 ISBN 0-671-54694-5.
  • The Fate of the Revolution : Interpretations of Soviet History from 1917 to the Present, New York : Scribner's, 1987 ISBN 0-684-18903-8.
  • Co-edited with Brad Roberts America in the World, 1962–1987 : a Strategic and Political Reader, New York : St. Martin's Press, 1987 ISBN 0-312-01318-3.
  • The Age of Terrorism, Boston ; Toronto : Little, Brown, 1987 ISBN 0-316-51478-0.
  • The Long Road to Freedom: Russia and Glasnost, Collier Books, 1989, ISBN 0-02-034090-7.
  • Soviet Realities : Culture and Politics from Stalin to Gorbachev, New Brunswick, US : Transaction Publishers, 1990 ISBN 0-88738-302-5.
  • Stalin : the Glasnost Revelations, New York : Scribner's, 1990 ISBN 0-684-19203-9.
  • Co-written with John Erickson Soviet Union 2000 : Reform or Revolution?, New York : St. Martin's Press, 1990 ISBN 0-312-04425-9.
  • Thursday's Child Has Far to Go: A Memoir of the Journeying Years, Scribner, 1992 ISBN 0-684-19421-X.
  • Europe In Our Time : A History, 1945–1992, New York : Viking, 1992 ISBN 0-670-83507-2.
  • Black Hundreds : the Rise of the Extreme Right in Russia, New York : HarperCollins, 1993 ISBN 0-06-018336-5.
  • The Dream That Failed : Reflections on the Soviet Union, New York : Oxford University Press, 1994 ISBN 0-19-508978-2.
  • Fascism : Past, Present, Future, New York : Oxford University Press, 1996 ISBN 0-19-509245-7.
  • Fin de Siècle and Other Essays on America & Europe, New Brunswick, N.J. ; London, UK : Transaction Publishers, 1997 ISBN 1-56000-261-1.
  • Guerrilla Warfare: A Historical and Critical Study, Transaction Publishers, 1997 ISBN 0-7658-0406-9.
  • Origins of Terrorism: Psychologies, Ideologies, Theologies, States of Mind, Woodrow Wilson Center Press, 1998 ISBN 0-943875-89-7.
  • The New Terrorism : Fanaticism and the Arms of Mass Destruction, New York : Oxford University Press, 1999 ISBN 0-19-511816-2.
  • Generation Exodus : the Fate of Young Jewish Refugees From Nazi Germany, Hanover, NH ; London : University Press of New England [for] Brandeis University Press, 2001 ISBN 1-58465-106-7
  • (Co-edited with Judith Tydor Baumel) The Holocaust Encyclopedia, Yale University Press, 2001 ISBN 0-300-08432-3.
  • A History of Terrorism, New Jersey : Transaction Publishers, 2001 ISBN 0-7658-0799-8.
  • No End to War : Terrorism in the Twenty-first Century, New York : Continuum, 2003 ISBN 0-8264-1435-4.
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  • No End to War: Terrorism in the Twenty-first Century, Continuum International Publishing Group, 2004
  • "Dying for Jerusalem": The Past, Present and Future of the Holiest City, Sourcebooks, Inc, 2006 ISBN 1-4022-0632-1.
  • The Changing Face of Antisemitism: From Ancient Times to the Present Day, Oxford University Press, 2006 ISBN 0-19-530429-2.
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  • After the Fall: The End of the European Dream and the Decline of a Continent, Macmillan, 2012

By comparison, Herr Doctor Goodwin has a PhD in interviewing.  Seriously.  He is better equipped for conducting market research outside a supermarket than for passing any opinion on islam or fascism.

About 1/3rd of the "publications" Herr Doctor Goodwin lists on his bio page are from things he wrote on The Guardian's "Comment is Free" page.  That is, they are no more than blog posts.

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/politics/people/matthew.goodwin

His doctoral thesis ... employed 'life history' interviews to explore the backgrounds, motivations and attitudes of extreme right-wing activists.

Gosh, that sounds very dangerous!  He must have been talking to Afghanistan trained suicide bombers in Luton or thugs who hacked off an opponent's head in Pakistan.  Or perhaps he trecked into Waziristan to interview some tribal elders who enforce the destruction of girls' schools?   What a brave man!  Or did he perhaps just chat to a few safe white people in the UK?

What the good Doctor is, is an expert of the agreed govenment narrative,(as agreed by islam and fascists). Everyone who has been designated a bigotted racist is where they have been placed. And all the good guys are running around sticking the lables on.  Disagree with a racist, and you become a racist.

The librals have labled the working class thugs and bigots. Bald headed racists, with no jobs. Little Englanders!. Now its the turn of the Middle classes to get some. All those filthy working, home owning racists. They're as bad as the rich tax dodging racist bigots.

????? Is there anyone left?

How about MP's who talk of controling our boarders. They've got to be at least bigots. Judges who lock up young(and old)  islamic gentlemen for nothing more serious than buying a few 12, 13 14 year old girls a few vodkas, and then letting these girls have sex with them. They've got to be islamophobic.

We need experts like Dr Goodwin to keep us updated on our bigotory, or we'd go thinking we really had something to worry about.

Its very reassuring to know that we are not alone in our islamophobic, racist, smallminded bigotory. i feel a lot better knowing i can go down the town and look at shop mangers, sales reps, bank managers, anyone working, home owners dog owners widowed elderly ladys and small children in push chairs and say to myself. Look, theres someone whos a bigger C*** than me!

Paul Collings: 'What the good Doctor is, is an expert of the agreed government narrative, (as agreed by islam and fascists)....'

And the BBC will continue to trot him out to tell us all what we should think and be afraid of.  He will continue to make assertions without evidence, and give warnings of doom coming from the 'far right' and 'extremists' without giving these people any credit for having a brain and using it.  He accuses these same people of being 'likely to support violence on the streets' but ignores the growing and larger racist and religiously based/bigoted violence that they are simply reacting to.  He refuses to see, and wants us all to be blind to, the changes in society over the last 30 years.  It seems to me that this Doctor, this expert, is doing his best to prevent the required changes in Society to save itself from destruction by a foreign ideology/religion.  He denies what our enemies are actually saying, planning and doing.

'There are only three choices in Islam:

either willing submission;

or payment of the Jizya, through physical though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam;

or the sword – for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live.

The matter is summed up for every person alive: either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die.’  

Al Qaeda

EDL not racist - just xenophobic ; http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2013/03/07/english-defence-league-no...

Time for a traditional English saying regarding Dr and his comrades "Those who can, do... those who can't - teach !"

It is quite clear that whole segments of our education system have been taken over by people who are entitled to no more respect than the commissar of your local Socialist Rapists Party branch. I would have thought even the Tories would have an interest in closing down the various useless mickey mouse type subjects that are no more than fronts for cultural marxism and islamism, and produce worthless clones whose minds have been so "cultified" by their faux education that they are incapable of novel thought or of thinking for themselves.

"More than 1,666 people were polled for the study, of which 298 identified themselves as EDL supporters.  The report.. found 53 per cent of sympathisers were in professional, management or non-manual jobs and another quarter were in skilled work."

Herr Doctor Goodwin is an expert in survey research outside supermarkets.  4/5ths of the people in his survey were not found from EDL demos, or EDL Facebook.  They were mostly people outside supermarkets.  Which explains why Kinana has not heard of anyone being interviewed by Herr Doctor.  If he'd been soliciting people online to take part in the survey, then I think I would have seen the adverts/requests.  I have no doubts this "survey" is full of selection bias, plus numerous other flaws.

What "the study" is saying, is that when the general public are asked, then it is mostly the middle-aged, "higher than manual workers", employed who support EDL.

I'm waiting for the deluded, neo-fascist left to come out with the "observation": "this shows that the fascism has spread to wider society, just like it did with the election of Hitler".

Among the chattering classes, EDL has had less support than the IRA had in the 1980s, and even less support than the Paedophile Information Exchange had (I can think of numerous Labour MPs, legal organisations, gay rights groups, psychiatrists, social workers etc. who spoke out to defend PIE).  However, it is clear that across the country, EDL has got plenty of support amongst the common man or woman (videos of EDL coaches arriving in various towns show far, far more people applauding the coaches than shouting abuse at them).

This kind of survey is staged by the establishment to mark transitions in their narrative.  The narrative towards EDL (and the issuses EDL addresses) will become more mainstream.  The chattering classes are going to move closer to explicitly addressing those issues.  This kind of "report" smooths the way to that transition.

The Labour Party is already making that transition at what is a surprising speed.  In 2010 a woman who asked about immigration was then described as "a bigot" by the immigrant Prime Minister Gordon Brown (as you can tell, I'm all for re-building Hadrian's Wall). Now the Labour Party is led by more of an immigrant, and the Labour Party is wrapping itself in the flag and demanding that immigration be massively curtailed. 

In the 3 years EDL has existed, we have already seen a huge shift in the narrative.  But of course, EDL has never received any recognition of being a motive force.


"Many who identify with them are more likely to favour street confrontations with Islamic groups than political battles."

Strange that Chatham House wasn't conducting research into the various AntiFa groups, who promoted the idea of street violence.  Strange that Chatham House wasn't investigating the UAF (of which Camoron is an official supporter), considering that UAF also promoted street violence, going so far as to throw metal-tipped darts into the face of an elected politician outside Parliament (the man who did it was never even prosecuted).  Strange that Chatham House never paid for studies into the various ethnic riots that have rocked Bradford, Oldham, Birmingham, London in the last 10 years or so.

Clearly some kinds of groups who indulge in far more violent street protests are beyond investigation.

Summary: "no matter what you say or do, if you disagree with the ideology of the political elite, we are going to classify you as 'far right' ".

Few people realise that the man who wrote Alice in Wonderland was a mathematician and logician.  Like Animal Farm was really a thesis about the way in which the Left are sectarian oligarchs, so Alice in Wonderland is about far more than the daydreams of a child.

The article on the EDL below  is a perfect example of the Humpty Dumpty Theory of Meaning (a la Thomas Hobbes) http://www.fecundity.com/pmagnus/humpty.html

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."


http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2013/03/07/analysis-unde...

Thursday, 7 March 2013 12:01 AM

By Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens

In the aftermath of the English Defence League (EDL) rally in Manchester last Saturday, it is worth taking stock of how such an organisation has gained support, what it truly stands for and how it should be perceived within the spectrum of Europe’s far right.

It should not simply be dismissed as a racist or fascist BNP front. Instead, it is endemic to the current political climate in Europe that has seen a rise in support for populist groups that, through focusing on a perceived threat posed by Islam in Europe, present a new take on old xenophobic ideas, and have moved beyond racial and ethnic nationalisms that have lost credibility.

This ‘new’ far right as it has come to be known has shown itself adept at adopting and exploiting mainstream conservative concerns in order to push its own anti-Islam agenda, making reasoned debate about immigration, identity and radical Islam all the more difficult for those in the political centre.

At first glance, the group appears to be nothing more than a rebranded version of older right-wing extremist groups. However, it is more than just a xenophobic, far-right protest group; it is part of a wider movement within Europe which refers to itself as the ‘Counter-Jihad’, inspired in part by rabble rousing anti-Muslim bigots that have risen to prominence in post-9/11 America.

In Europe, the movement has found support across the political spectrum, though much of its leadership and following is drawn from a pool of individuals previously engaged in other forms of far-right and anti-immigration politics. It rejects racial nationalism and white supremacism, and has denounced the ideologies of traditional European far-right, fascist and racist groups. 

Many journalists and researchers who have attended EDL marches in Britain and Europe, myself included, are often surprised and confused at the (albeit small) presence of non-white minorities showing their support for the group. A video (4.30 minutes in) from the Manchester demo, for example, shows a crowd of mainly white EDL supporters applauding a young Asian man as he holds up a pro-EDL flag.

Indeed, herein lies one of the important distinctions between this new movement and previous incarnations of the European far right: the core of its ideology – namely a conspiracy-driven view of Islam in the West – is racially and culturally transcendent, and the EDL has shown a willingness to reach out to and embrace Jewish, South-Asian and black supporters.

Despite publicly rejecting the far-right ideologies of old, the movement still serves to incubate, protect and add a veneer of plausibility and acceptability to forms of far-right xenophobia and extremism. The EDL and its allies are inspired by an ideology which presents the current jihadist terrorist threat to the West as part of a centuries-long effort by Muslims to dominate Western civilisation. They point to a conspiracy to 'Islamise' Europe through the stealthy implementation of Sharia law, and hold that many of Europe’s Muslims, along with their liberal multiculturalist allies, are actively engaged in this conspiracy. The actions of Muslims in the West are viewed almost solely through this frame, and evidence of so-called 'Islamisation' is seen everywhere from the availability of halal meat, to the construction of mosques. 

Part of the EDL’s success has been down to its ability to exploit mainstream concerns. Whereas many people may be alarmed, for example, by the recent revelations about paedophile rings made up of British-Asian men in Northern England, the EDL seeks to mould this concern into a distrust of Muslims as a whole. Relying on an essentialist reading of Islam and Muslims, the EDL argues that the men who carry out these rapes are acting in accordance with their religion; Mohammed married nine-year-old Aysha, so the argument goes, therefore modern day Muslims sanction paedophilia. Sexual attacks on Western women and girls that are carried out by Muslims are therefore presented as a specifically Islamic phenomenon, characteristic of a culture that has no place in the West.

Unlike its racial-nationalist predecessors, the EDL leadership advocates a form of cultural nationalism, according to which the nation and its members are defined primarily in terms of a shared culture and history. "If people migrate to this country", argues the EDL mission statement, "then they should be expected to respect our culture, its laws, and its traditions, and not expect their own cultures to be promoted by agencies of the state."  Added to this is an aggressive integrationism that requires immigrants and any other foreigners to conform to a set of cultural and political values including, but not limited to women’s rights, human rights, freedom of speech, and democracy. According to its mission statement, the EDL is "keen to draw its support from people of all races, all faiths, all political persuasions, and all lifestyle choices", in the fight against Islam.

Many dismiss the use of such language as a crypto-fascist attempt to mislead potential supporters who might be put off by dated race-based ideologies, and the movement does specifically couch many of its activities in such liberal terms in order to counter accusations of far-right extremism. While it may be the case that the EDL leadership is hiding neo-Nazi and racist sympathies, race is simply not at the core of its message or ideology. This is not to say that the group does not attract neo-Nazis and other assorted white supremacists - its xenophobia is bound to appeal to people filled with many different types of hate and fear.

Nonetheless, if we were to take such statements at face value it may seem difficult to categorise a group positioning itself in defence of liberal enlightenment values as 'far-right' or extreme.  However, this cultural nationalism does indeed manifest itself as a form of far-right extremism both in its portrayal of all Muslims as a threat to European culture and in its proposed, highly illiberal responses to this perceived threat, such as a ban on all mosque construction and the prohibition of all Muslim immigration into Europe.

As well as inflaming communal tensions and spreading fear, mistrust and conspiracy theories, the EDL and others like it have also contributed to the poisoning of national debates about Islam in Europe, immigration and identity. It is becoming increasingly difficult to present a measured analysis of these issues without being accused of either providing ammunition to anti-Muslim bigots by one side or of pandering to some sort of far-left civilisational defeatism by the other.

The desire, as stated in the EDL mission statement, to protect and promote certain values, whether they be thought of as specifically British cultural imperatives or 'shared values', is not the preserve of the far right, and nor should we allow it to be.

Since the 7 July 2005 London bombings, which were carried out by British-born Muslims, a debate has been ongoing within mainstream European politics about how to ensure that European citizens are never again driven to attack their own countries in the name of global jihad.

In Britain, this was enough of a concern to inspire Labour’s then chancellor of the exchequer, Gordon Brown (who is not exactly a paragon of far-right xenophobia), to write a paper in 2007 entitled “The Governance of Britain”, in which he argued that, unlike France and America, "there is a less clear sense among British citizens of the values that bind the groups and communities who make up the body of the British people."

Liberal principles such as free speech and pluralism were not well enough articulated, argued Brown, who wished to see a more robust definition of what it meant to be British. Brown also wrote that a clearer understanding of British culture and identity must be accompanied by "a set of values which have not just to be shared but also accepted." While he wanted to see all identities and cultures celebrated and respected, he warned that "none of these identities should take precedence over the core democratic values that define what it means to be British." "A British citizen," he concluded, "must act in accordance with these values."

When compared with the EDL mission statement, although the intentions differ, the similarities between the two are nonetheless striking.

As well as simply a continuation of old-fashioned far-right xenophobia, the EDL is a product of debates and discussions that have gripped Europe over the past decade surrounding terrorism, Islam, identity and cultural assimilation.  The inevitable focus on Muslims that has ensued has provided fertile ground for Europe’s right wing extremists, who have identified a new ‘enemy within’ at whose feet they can lay the blame for all of the economic, social and security problems faced by their countries.

In devising a response to this, policy makers and commentators alike should take care not to allow extremists of any stripe to dictate the terms of these very important debates.

Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens is head of research at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation, King’s College, London where he is also a PhD candidate. He is co-author of the forthcoming ICSR publication “A Neo-Nationalist Network: The English Defence League and Europe’s Counter-Jihad Movement”.

This ‘new’ far right as it has come to be known has shown itself adept at adopting and exploiting mainstream conservative concerns in order to push its own anti-Islam agenda, making reasoned debate about immigration, identity and radical Islam all the more difficult for those in the political centre.

Really? Really?  Do you not think that perhaps the silencing by physical murder, or the silencing by media and career execution might not actually make 'reasoned debate ... all the more difficult'?

Do you not actually think a woman, especially a woman with children, will find it especially difficult to defend any of her concerns over these issues, when she's got fascists from both the left and from Islam threatening her?

Perhaps the only thing that would make the very posh named Alexander address the elephant in the room, would be if it actually trampled on him.

Whereas many people may be alarmed, for example, by the recent revelations about paedophile rings made up of British-Asian men in Northern England, the EDL seeks to mould this concern into a distrust of Muslims as a whole.

Ah I see!  That's where I was going wrong.  When we were all waiting 20 years for the government and police forces to act, all the while the cases where occurring up and down the country and the media were busy suppressing them, what we should have been doing is "getting alarmed".  We should have just stayed "getting alarmed" while the young girls were abused and gang raped and branded, until they grew old, tired and silent.  Then we should have watched the same things happen to their sisters' and brothers' granddaughters. 

He's just fascist enabling upper class fantasist, that's happy to sacrifice the daughters of the working class on the alter of his political dream.

Once more, the leftist academics, politicians, and media re-write history.  For the first 2 years of EDL's existence, they denied there were any grooming gangs.  After EDL & Casuals United banged on and on about them, the authorities opened the floodgates and started to prosecute the gangs.  Now that there is prosecution after prosecution, the fascist enablers at the HuffPo claim that EDL is exploiting the very prosecutions it brought about!

It makes little to no sense.  This article from The Times (Jan 5 2011) about the existence of these grooming gangs, shows that the authorities had barely touched the problem in the preceding 10 years. http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/muslim-pimping-grooming-...  Anne Cryer MP had brought the gangs to attention in the national media in 2003, Channel 4 did a documentary on them in 2004; when the left/black organisations got the documentary banned, Bradford Council claimed there was no evidence of these gangs, yet they've arrested 54 people in the past couple of months in Bradford in connection with these crimes.

In 2010, when I told specialist police officers that we could see anti-muslim terrorism in the next 10 years they laughted in my face.  Now we have government ministers saying the same thing.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/13/edl-far-right-islamaphob...

The English Defence League (EDL) is exploiting concerns surrounding sex-grooming gangs to fuel its anti-Islam agenda, a university report has said, warning that perceived 'Islamisation' could lead to terrorist attacks similar to the one by Anders Brevik in Norway.

The far-right group is using cases such as the nine Asian men jailed last year for grooming girls in Rochdale to build support, turning the issue into one of Islam versus the West, King's College London found.

The group is also building networks across Europe, with EDL leader Tommy Robinson considered a "rock star" by activists, according to the university's International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation.

Tommy Robinson, who also goes by the name of Stephen Lennon, was ja....

Alexander Meleagrou-Hitchens, one of the report's authors, said: "There's a danger that the UK will export this kind of vicious, far-right activism to the rest of the continent."

The EDL and its partners have worsened community tensions and further promoted ideas that helped inspire Norwegian mass killer Anders Breivik, the report said.

It came as security minister James Brokenshire warned that far-right movements like the English Defence League have the potential to inspire individuals to break off and join more extreme groups.

Delivering a speech at a conference on far-right extremism, Mr Brokenshire hit out at groups such as the EDL for "inflaming tensions and spreading hate-filled prejudice within communities".

He warned that the EDL and others have the potential to "stoke radicalisation" and could ultimately cross the line into an area that concerns counter-terrorism strategy.

"There are a growing number of examples which suggest extremist and terrorist groups can potentially destabilise each other - the presence of one causing a spiralling effect on the other - and offering an enemy against which to define themselves.

"There are also views that groups such as defence leagues can provide 'gateway ideologies' through which individuals may migrate to more extreme organisations.

He said while the far right threat is not as "widespread or systematic" as al Qaida-inspired terrorism, the movement appeals to people who share the same vulnerabilities.

"It feeds off the same sense of alienation and questions around identity. And it has the same ambition to reshape the world in an impossible way. The threat is real, and our response must be effective."

Mr Brokenshire said in June 2011 the government broadened its counter-terrorism strategy - known as Contest - to cover all forms of terrorism, including the far right.

He said the government is currently funding 112 projects in areas where radicalisation is considered high risk.

Its intervention programme - known as Channel - aims to prevent vulnerable people from being drawn into terrorism. Around 10% of the individuals enrolled in the programme have been motivated by far-right extremism.

The Kings College report documented a phenonomen pushed by the EDL called 'rape jihad.'

"This 'rape jihad', as it has become known, is a significant concern for the EDL," said the report.

"Interest has risen since revelations in the British media about the existence of sex-grooming gangs made up of Muslim men of south-Asian origin."

The EDL demonstrated in Rochdale in June last year to try to pressure police to refer specifically to gang members as "Muslim" so any alleged link between the religion and the crime could be inferred, the report said.

The far-right group is sharing these tactics with partners in Denmark, Norway, Sweden and other countries, the university department found.

It has had an extensive online presence for some time but it is now making efforts to move to the physical world, according to the report.

"Although the leading members and organisations rarely, if ever, directly call for violence in response to Islamisation, they are unable to control how their fellow travellers will decide to act upon the information they provide.

"The attacks in Norway were the first example of an individual inspired to pursue terrorism in direct response to perceived Islamisation, and they are unlikely to be the last."

The report, A Neo-Nationalist Network: The English Defence League and Europe's counter-jihad movement, will be launched at an all-day conference on Wednesday.

It's also worth remembering this "report" by "prof" Nigel Copsey (funded by Fiyaz Mughal's "conflict resolution" organisation, which only exists to protect muslims from justified criticism): http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/muslim-sponsored-report-...

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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