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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9914500/Managers-and-skill...

Managers and skilled workers make up bulk of far right supporters

Half the supporters of the far right English Defence League (EDL) are respectable managers and white collar workers, a report has revealed.

 

The study found the image of young unemployed people alienated by tough economic times and turning to the anti-Muslim and anti-immigration group was a myth.

In fact half of sympathizers are in full time work, almost one in five is university educated and more than two thirds own their own home.

The report, by the think tank Chatham House, warns ministers and those combating extremism need to reassess who they target.

Its author, Dr Matthew Goodwin, also warns that the EDL is part of a new breed of far right extremism that is more “confrontational and unpredictable” and more likely to support violence on the streets.

He describes the new groups as “counter-Jihad” and said supporters believe violence between white Britons and Muslims was not only justified but imminent.

More than 1,666 people were polled for the study, of which 298 identified themselves as EDL supporters.

The report, The Roots of Extremism, found 53 per cent of sympathisers were in professional, management or non-manual jobs and another quarter were in skilled work.

Only three per cent were unemployed and 60 per cent were aged over 45.

Groups like the EDL also shun images such as “racial supremacism” and actively sought to recruit people from Jewish, Sikh, Pakistani, Christian and gay communities, the report said.

Dr Goodwin said: “Some of the best known stereotypes about counter-Jihad supporters are wrong.

“Policy approaches that frame the counter-Jihad challenge as being primarily a phenomenon among deprived working class communities should be reassessed.”

He said supporters are also not anti-democracy and are more likely to vote than the average citizen.

However, he also warned that the new forms of far right extremism, like the EDL, are more “confrontational, chaotic and unpredictable” that established extremist political parties.

Many who identify with them are more likely to favour street confrontations with Islamic groups than political battles.

“Most appear united by the belief that a period of group conflict and chaos is imminent,” the report said.

They “appear united by the expectation that the country will soon descend into communal violence and are more likely than their fellow citizens to view violence as a justifiable course of action to counter ‘extremists’”.

Which partially explains why the Left have been so wrong-footed by EDL.

Tags: Dr Matthew Goodwin, EDL

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Matthew Goodwin is so dense, he cannot see why Tommy would tweet that 40% of people in Britain think that a civil war with muslims here is "inevitable". 

https://twitter.com/EDLTrobinson/status/371891767479898112

Goodwin thinks that since it was his survey (and he was apparently gratified that it was ONLY 40% who are resigned to civil war), that no-one else could possibly interpret this otherwise than it being a good thing.

 

It'll be a good thing that only40% of Muslims want sharia law in Britian then. Thank goodness for that. 

Goodwin needs to get out more, because about 99.9% of everyone i  speak to think this countries gone to the dogs. Lets see what happens to peoples opinions if we start bombing Syria, and Britian and America find themselves on the end of a terrorist attact.

The thing with surveys is , they can go up as well as down. And it depends if you think your glass is half full or half empty.

Today EDL surpassed the popularity of the Tories on Facebook.  One of the things that idiots like Matthew Goodwin like to console themselves with, is the idea that organisations like EDL & UKIP are mostly supported by unemployed working-class men over 50+ years of age.   Problem is -- that's not really the demographic who are most often found on Facebook.

It's highly likely that the support for EDL is even greater than the image below shows.  Statistics I've seen for Facebook shows that most of the adult users are under 35.

That EDL supporters continue to mostly be opposed to racism whilst the popularity grows beyond that of any of the political parties in Britain shows how stupid the so-called experts on fascism and the "far right" are.  And it is clear that there is a chasm opening up between the people and the ruling elite.  Let us remember: in the 1950s, the Tories had a paying membership of 2.5 million supporters, and now they are thought to be down to less than 100k members.  There is a sense in which politics in Britain is breaking apart, and in that situation EDL could face many opportunities that would have been unimaginable just 2 or 3 years ago.

It is even possible that in a year or two, EDL's popularity will exceed that of all 3 main parties combined. The next time the terrorists succeed, we can expect EDL's support to once more go up by 200% or more.  That would make them more popular than all 3 main parties combined.

Today I was reading some remarks on the website of the local newspaper in Sheffield, pertaining to last Saturday's EDL demo there.  http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/800-000-to-police-latest-edl-de...  The most popular comments are all supportive of EDL, and many are very articulate and are clearly local (due to their knowledge of geography and local political scandals).  

95% think EDL presents a voice that needs to be heard.
What does that say about whacademics like Matthew Goodwin, Nigel Copsey, etc.?
Like Thomas Sowell points out, it doesn't matter how far off academics are in their judgement and predictions, they are never answerable for it. They just continue to ignore all the countervailing evidence.  They are the High Priests of Leftism.

Bear in mind: this is FOLLOWING Tommy leaving because EDL's nazi extremists were too hard to control!!  And it fits completely, with EDL being more popular than the Tories. 

I was telling Tommy last time I spoke to him: there's not one friend or family member I have who does not support EDL's concerns. He replied: "It's the tactics that put them off". I told him they support the tactics. What stops them displaying their support to total strangers is the idea that they will lose their job, or it will cause problems for their kids at school. He was surprised to hear that support went as far as tactics.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/muslim...

THE English Defence League’s only Muslim member has been fined by magistrates after pleading guilty to abusing Asians at a rally in Bradford.

Abdul Rafiq, 43, admitted using threatening language and behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress.

But he is free to continue his activities with the far-right group after magistrates declined to impose an Anti-social Behaviour Order.

A court heard Rafiq, of Glasgow, was arrested at an EDL rally in Bradford, on the afternoon of October 12.

Mike Vittis, prosecuting at Leeds Magistrates Court, said: “The defendant was seen talking to a group of Asian males about being British. A policeman who was at the scene tried to usher the defendant away from the situation. He then started to swear and tried to pull a Union flag out of his bag.”

Rafiq claimed that the men were threatening him, telling him he should not be in the EDL.

Rafiq told the court: “There were about ten and them and one of me. The argument was about me being part of the EDL, even though I’m Muslim.”

Rafiq, who has four brothers and four sisters, said: “The Muslim community does not like me for my EDL membership.

“They made me an outcast. I cannot go to Muslim areas any more and I get death threats online.”

Rafiq was fined £110 after admitting the public order offence. He must also pay a victim surcharge of £20 and a contribution to prosecution costs of £85.

I am interested in the EDL but as a gay man I am unsure about the position regarding gay people. I have always been left wing, fighting for equality for all - but a straight friend has suggested that right wing is the way forward for me because left wing will result in Muslims getting control - and they are of course very anti-gay. I find myself agreeing with him - but is the EDL the way forward?

https://www.facebook.com/EDL.LGBT.Division/posts/721233844561054

The gay, jewish, socialist MP for Rotherham (one of the worst places in England for muslims raping schoolgirls and getting away with it), the MP who denounced EDL as "nazis", has been sent to prison for stealing from the people.  What a socialist.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/labour-mps-...

Nick Griffin going off to support Golden Dawn.  What an arsehole.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/matthewgoodwin/2014/01/nick-griffin-supports-the-golden-dawn-in-athens-as-his-party-collapses/

This item is reported amidst the usual dross from Matthew Goodwin.  Why The Spectator gives such an idiot house-room is beyond my ken.

The "expert" Goodwin thinks Oswald Mosley had no charisma, when Mosley held a meeting attended by 30,000 people (Labour's largest ever rally in the 20th century had 10,000 people at it).  If Mosley had no charisma, why was he imprisoned and detained without charge throughout WW2?

And to Goodwin there is no difference between Nick Griffin, Oswald Mosley, Geert Wilders and Nigel Farage.  What a contemptible fool.

Mathew Goodwin writes for The Spectator? Why the kid gloves for extreme Leftists but uniform antipathy for the "far right"? I know the BBC has such double standards - but The Spectator? I think I know what's at the heart of much of this.

Both those on the Right and Left think that Nazis are PURE EVIL. Communists and Trotskyists, on the other hand, do (much) wrong but "their hearts are in the right place". That is, they DO WRONG for GOOD CAUSES. I use that quote because when someone I know told the Bishop of Bradford who runs UAF (just before the first EDL demo), and that they are SWP, he said: "Yes, well, but their hearts are in the right place."

Hilary Pilkington

The English Defence League; 'Real' immigrants

The English Defence League: A study of the individuals who comprise this far right movement. Hilary Pilkington, Professor of Sociology at the University of Manchester, provides fresh and timely insights into a politics built on English identity and opposition to 'Islamism'. They're joined by Nasar Meer, Professor of Comparative Citizenship and Social Policy at Strathclyde University,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07jyw97

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