It takes a nation to protect the nation
I'm starting this forum as a repository for bits and pieces of information on how gangsterism works, i.e. how gangsters can take over an area, exclude the police and civil authorities, and even take over an entire country (Iran now or Russia after the breakup of the USSR). I welcome everybody's input on this because the behaviour of mobsters and criminals is something outside my knowledge.
It still puzzles me that Eliot Ness didn't get murdered and was able to put Al Capone behind bars, even though the whole of Chicago was riddled with corruption. Would YOU have spoken up to reveal information about gangsters operating in your neighbourhood, knowing that if they found out they'd beat you or kill you? That's exactly the situation you'll soon find yourself in with respect to Islam in this country in a few decades, so its not an academic question. Islamism takes gangster methods and raises them to the highest possible level.
I'll try list a few general characteristics first.
Now lets see how these correspond in Islam.
I'll now post some videos which show different aspects ofthe gangster methodology, in an attempt to shed more light on it.
This first video shows how dangerous it is for the secular democratic state to allow total freedom of speech, at the expense of allowing criminal activity.
The next 5 videos study the effect of gangsterism on local areas by rogue armed elements in Iraqi society (either insurgents or the Mahdi army). This is Muslim on Muslim gangsterism, but no matter, the principles of gangsterism remain the same, whether it is Muslim on Muslim, Muslim on Kaffir, or Cosa Nostra on New Yorker - the same methods and effects are used in each case.
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Evidence of gangsterism here too.
http://4freedoms.ning.com/xn/detail/3766518:Comment:103262
After an initial exchange of words, the 3 muslims returned with 10 others, and used iron bars to attack young jewish men and women.
Muslim population of Lyon: about 13% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France
Anyone seen this story publicised by the mainstream media?
Seven Manchester men have been jailed for a "terrifying" hold-up that saw the gang threaten two male hostages with weapons and demanded they phone their wives to beg for money.
The group, led by 44-year-old Muslim 'spiritual leader' turned vigilante Tariq Dhamial, known as "The Priest" to followers, threatened the pair with a hammer, knife, and hot iron after luring them to a house in Wordworth Avenue, Cheetham Hill, Manchester, on the premise they were completing a house sale.
However, after arriving at the address they soon became hostages and were told to pay £14,000 ...
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manchester-muslim-spiritual-leader-ordered...
Such cultural enrichment.
The "victims" of these blackmailing gangsters are now under investigation by the police for fraud which led to this incident.
Raymond Ibrahim on parallels between islam and the mafia.
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/loyalty-and-enmity-parallels-be...
This site has often discussed how islamism/marxism/fascism etc are used by the power elite as forms of social control both inside and outside the UK, but politicos of either left or right, being politicos, very rarely mention the use of gangsterism by the state.
I've no doubt that if the plebs ever got uppity, the establishment would use gangsters as plausibly deniable thugs to intimidate political dissidents, and also to break down working class communities by flooding them with drugs such as heroin.
Its also worth bearing in mind that around 20% of the money slushing through the City of London is "dirty money", so the ruling elite and their banking and financial firms are also getting a cut of the loot.
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I am interested in the question of how you construct a constitution in order to balance out the competing power groups, and stop the majority abusing a minority, and also stop a minority abusing the majority, or even usurping control of the system, dismantling it, and taking control of it altogether.
This problem of balancing power in a democratic constitution between groups, goes by many names:
There are other forms of sub-group power appropriation, and I will add them as I find them.
I have yet to find a serious political text or theory which addresses this problem at a fundamental level, and includes either mathematical formulae to illustrate the balance points, or does this by statistical tracking of historical precedents. It is one of the many disappointments from the thought leaders of Political Science.
Alan - a worthy subject for discussion, and along with the spread of islam, the other major problem facing democracy today ! . Some of these issues have been touched upon in the "Power Elite" thread, to throw in a few brief bullet points - is gangsterism that far separate from monopoly/croney capitalism and the way the banks have behaved ? - given that 20% of the money going through the City Of London is "dirty" ... this in turn gives a very nasty and vicious group of people such as cartels,mafia and heroin trafficking Pakistani islamists leverage over big business and thence state institutions ... and access to some murderous thugs for the establishment (or at least sections of it) to do their plausably deniable dirty work.
Also, to put on my devils advocate hat, some might say that anarcho-syndicalism would be a good bulwark or tool to use against a usurping of democracy by legal or illegal mafias ?!, whether those mafias are involved in flooding the country with muslims or rigging the financial and tax system in favour of a corrupt elite of "legalised-criminals".
Hi Anthony, By anarcho-syndicalism do you mean the philosophy espoused by Prof. Hoppe? Well I'm not sure what that term means.
Have'nt heard of Hoppe - the one I recall is Rudolph Rocker - basically factories/industries being taken over by the workers of those workplaces.
Alan Lake said:
Hi Anthony, By anarcho-syndicalism do you mean the philosophy espoused by Prof. Hoppe? Well I'm not sure what that term means.
I was interested in this Alan;
"I'm starting this forum as a repository for bits and pieces of information on how gangsterism works, i.e. how gangsters can take over an area, exclude the police and civil authorities, and even take over an entire country (Iran now or Russia after the breakup of the USSR). I welcome everybody's input on this because the behaviour of mobsters and criminals is something outside my knowledge"
In my opinion the real reason that gangsterism works and flourishes is very simple, a certain type of person usually in some position of power will stop those who know who is doing what from acting because it would place them outside of the law!
Sometimes I believe that it is sometimes imperative that the law can be sub vented in order to save society (usually from itself) and it's ideas about fair play, they just don't understand that our enemy's do not play by any rules as we know them!
it is sometimes imperative that the law can be sub vented in order to save society (usually from itself) and it's ideas about fair play, they just don't understand that our enemy's do not play by any rules as we know them!
I agree, and I think that, facing the medieval savagery of ISIS etc, Western Democracies must either legalise some more brutal forms of retaliation, or face extinction like the dinousaurs.
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Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.
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1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
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Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
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