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It takes a nation to protect the nation

Just to prove that there are no moderate muslims. I cannot think of anyone who is portrayed more frequently as being "moderate" and being the saviour of all that is good in islam.

He compares the jew-hating, terrorist muslims in Gaza with the victims of the Nazis in Warsaw.



http://hurryupharry.org/2012/02/20/israel-apartheid-week-a-not-so-h...

Worse lies than this have been told, however. Only last month at the UCL debating society Taj Hargey, who was billed as a liberal Imam, compared Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto, justifying his inexcusably offensive accusation with the claim that in both cases nobody was ever allowed in or out, ignoring that not only do people go in and out of Gaza all the time but that hundreds of thousands of Jews also left the Warsaw Ghetto; they were deported from the Ghetto to their deaths in the crematoria of Treblinka. Still, Taj Hargey went on, saying that he had no problem with Germans but a hell of a problem with Nazis just as he had no problem with Jews but a hell of a problem with Zionists. The comparison was unmissable.

 



One has to wonder, did this eminent, well-informed, "moderate" muslim not know about the muslims in Palestine massacring Jews in Hebron in 1929?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebron29.html

He presumably thinks that the jews who'd lived there for thousands of years deserved to die.

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And what about the British Muslims for Secular Democracy of which he was/is a Trustee?  http://www.bmsd.org.uk/

Yet this was the great hope for the voice of the silent Muslim majority who only want to live in social harmony, secular, democratic free-speech-loving UK.  One of their aims was/is: 'Work with young Muslims and try to win over their hearts and minds, so they espouse the quiet and compassionate Islam practised by Muslims through generations.'

The 'quiet Islam' for sure!  I wish they would start shouting!

It's interesting that BMSD should have shut down.  The error you are seeing displayed there ( a JET error) means it is hosted on extremely basic Microsoft technology.  Thinking that it might be up again tomorrow, I had a look at The Way Back Machine.  It seems that there has been no update to the BMSD website since about March last year.

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110301000000*/http://www.bmsd.org.uk/

Another group who used to tout BMSD as the way forward was NiceOnesUK.  NiceOnes were supposedly made up of ex-EDL who thought it had become "too extreme" (considering what the EDL Stoke and Manchester demos were like, I'd say EDL has tamed down), and muslimas who liked to party.  NOUK used to cosy up to BMSD and the Wolf in Sheeps' Clothing, and claim that there were loads of moderate muslims who supported them.  I followed their discussions for months, and these moderates were all for the niqab and were aggressively anti-israel, and often would not stand for the Kaffir disagreeing with them.

NOUK seemed to close its doors about 4 or 5 months ago.  Not that anyone noticed. 

Nice Ones UK?  Is that anything to do with that Nice but Dim Tory  character?

Joe said:

Another group who used to tout BMSD as the way forward was NiceOnesUK.  NiceOnes were supposedly made up of ex-EDL who thought it had become "too extreme" (considering what the EDL Stoke and Manchester demos were like, I'd say EDL has tamed down), and muslimas who liked to party.  NOUK used to cosy up to BMSD and the Wolf in Sheeps' Clothing, and claim that there were loads of moderate muslims who supported them.  I followed their discussions for months, and these moderates were all for the niqab and were aggressively anti-israel, and often would not stand for the Kaffir disagreeing with them.

There was a group in the early days of EDL zetaboards forum that touted BMSD, including least one moderator, who also had connections with NOUK. My troubles with EDL forum started when I went against them and exposed several of the more unsavory BMSD trustees. One of whom is connected to the UAF, Dr Ghayassuddin Siddiqui

This was about the time of the Manchester demo, and any-body at that time who criticized moderate muslim where flamed and banned. Because of this group the EDL lost a lot of very good and knowledgeable people, and one or two of them are still here on 4Freedoms.

Now things have not gotten better.

Israel’s wanton bombing of Gaza, its continued policy of land grabbing and its cry of needing security for its people at the expense of the Palestinian legitimate rights to a an independent state which is the ultimate security for the conflicting parties are testimony that their claim for peace is meaningless if its not based on equality and reciprocity.

Mona Bauwens (By Mona Al-Ghussein Bauwens) BMSD Trustee

Tehmina Kazi another director of BMSD is also since February 2011 a trustee of Searchlight Educational Trust (NickLowles is the chief executive). An antiracist and antifascist charity, SET was formed in 1992 by members of the Searchlight magazine team. She is alleged to be connected to the Nice Ones UK.

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