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It takes a nation to protect the nation

Prior to the EDL demonstration in Preston on 20 February 2016, The Lancashire Evening Post made an apparent effort to clarify a few things with the EDL.  The EDL were ignored.  For this article the EDL reproduced screen shots from the LEP’s own publication

But apparently the LEP is still not convinced.  What does it take?  One wonders.  You can lead a horse to water…


Earlier this week this week the Lancashire Evening Post (LEP) asked us to reply to a few questions before they were to published a story in the lead up to our demonstration in Preston on Saturday (20 February 2016).

They asked/said:
“Market traders are very unhappy and believe that it will badly affect trade because people will stay away.
“Would the EDL want any response on this?
“Can you understand their worries and do you consider the impact on local traders when you announce rallies in town/city centres?
“We’re running the story in tomorrow’s paper, so if you would like to respond, please could this be before 4pm this evening?”

They later extended their deadline to 8pm. We sent our response at 5:15.  It was completely ignored.  Surprise surprise.

Follow this link to see what LEP wrote:

For the benefit of our supporters and those who want to read both sides to this story, this is what we sent to them.

15 February 2016

Dear (LEP)

Yes the EDL understands the concern of traders and other businesses when there is a demonstration in the town.

But the traders need to assess the situation in line with the source of the problem (we are sure some of them already do, but are reluctant to say so in public). And you in the local newspaper should help them do this.

It is not our demonstration which will cause any significant disruption to trade but the demonstrations of those who are planning to confront us.

We have a good record with local law enforcement throughout the country. They consistently confirm that we are non-violent and if any trouble starts, it starts from those who would deny our freedoms of speech and assembly. These are British rights and freedoms.

One tactic of those who oppose us is to scare the public by telling lies about our demonstrations. If traders also believe these lies they will be playing into the hands of non-democratic and even, in many cases, fascist forces.

This tactic is a red herring devised to distract attention from the purpose of our demonstration - broad opposition to the Islamisation of Britain in its many forms - onto our tactics: a gathering, a “procession” and speeches.

We cannot believe, and your paper does not say, that every single trader is opposed to our demonstration or supports Islamisation.  In a democratic society like ours political expression is a precious right which most people recognise and support.  This expression sometimes may cause some disruption in normal everyday life but it is not outside the norms of a mature democratic society, which England is. Indeed, the occurrence of peaceful demonstrations should be celebrated.

Also we believe that people, including traders of course, are not solely economic units who are concerned only with pounds and pence.  It is insulting to them to think that they are merely financial slaves to a balance sheet. They have families and will be concerned about their children’s futures. On Saturday, we will be demonstrating for those futures by highlighting the threat of Islamisation.

Finally, we are demonstrating to preserve all our society’s democratic rights, not only the right to free speech. These are the same precious rights that are part of the reason why migrants and refugees aim for our country above most others. If what we fear about Islam comes to pass in the future, these traders and everyone else will be living in a vastly different society, such that they will long for the day to see a demonstration by the English Defence League!

Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
See you on Saturday.
Kind regards

The English Defence League


English Defence League

Feb 18th, 2016



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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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