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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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hey, I don't want to live in a society where its legal for some people to hit other people in some circumstances. A true leader of the people will never resort to petty violence like 'they was shouting nazi nazi so I slapped 'em.' much as I loathe islam I will not accept such behaviour. you will be telling me torture, waterboarding etc is justified, next. No, no hitting, no slapping, no muslim -type behaviour, got it? 

I think Tommy came across well and as for giving a nazi a clip round the ear, well done, as that's what most folk would have done.

 

Arthur.

OK, Mr Lennon is right, you are in for a clip round the ear when I get hold of you.

Arthur said:

I think Tommy came across well and as for giving a nazi a clip round the ear, well done, as that's what most folk would have done.

Mac are getting away with insulting every person who believes in freedom, and especial  those who fight and die for our freedom. Our laws which are enforced by our police force, are now used to protect an enemy, an enemy that is riding roughshott over everything this country used to hold dear.

The police defend the right of the British people to be insulted, humiliated, bullied, raped and put in their place.  We have reached the stage where people are happy to give up their country and way of life without a fight.

Tommy is a victim of state bulling. i don,t see any of the occupy someone else's back yard brigade getting dragged off anywhere. I don,t see Andy choudry being arrested, and getting his buisiness destroyed, or his bank account frozen out. Of course that can,t happen because the lazy two bob tosser creams this country for all its worth. The only job andy has is to humiliate the English, and for that we pay him.

Tommy tries to EARN a living so he can bring up his familey, a concept totally alien to andy the chump! and his band of mop heads. There is a blatant two tier legal system operating in this country, with the blessing of most of the country it seems with everyone getting ready to pay the jizya, or get their heads cut off and their corpes raped by a laughing mob.

The people of this country need to decide how they want the future to be for their kids. Some people have already decided,  this is why the police can stand by watching lunitics burn our flags, insult our soldiers, and us,  while they bully and intimidate those who would defend us.

If you have noone to stand up and fight for your way of life, what you gonna do when threatened!.. I know tell 'em you 'aint gonna put up with. that,ll show 'em.   

On rememberance sunday when the Muslim Arsonist Club have burnt some flags and insulted  this Country i,m sure we,ll have plenty of people blogging that something should have been done. What would they suggest, a £50 fine...that the tax payer stumps up.

If you so much as farted during ramadam you,d probably get a public flogging.  In this country you get two years for spraying a poppy on a mosque. Come on people, How can you not be outraged and demand a tougher punishment than a £50 fine for poppy burning. You may as well go and piss on the Cenotaph. Huh i think that already happens.

Well done all the dhimmis. looks like rememberance day will be another embarressment for this country.

maybe after the students have had their march the police may ask for all demos to be banned on sunday. That would save their red face's.

 

Paul, you write with a fury that I wish more people of both England and America felt!

One of the Seven Deadly Sins was Acedia...A term long out of use but it equates to Apathy. It has been apathy that has led free men down this dark and foreboding road to the point at which we now stand. When men had to go into a forest in search of their food, or plow a field in the hot sun, they seemed to be much closer to reality than we are today. Now it has become a burden to shop for the week's groceries or run to the nearest deli for lunch, as it takes our citizens away from their Xbox or favorite TV show. We both know that their fantasy world will soon come crashing down about them, and they will realize that those "Right Wing Extremists" were right all along. Let us hope that they manage to recover from their years of reverie and then the sudden shock of facing reality, in time to help restore the freedoms they let slip through uncaring fingers.


paul collings said:

Mac are getting away with insulting every person who believes in freedom, and especial  those who fight and die for our freedom. Our laws which are enforced by our police force, are now used to protect an enemy, an enemy that is riding roughshott over everything this country used to hold dear.

The police defend the right of the British people to be insulted, humiliated, bullied, raped and put in their place.  We have reached the stage where people are happy to give up their country and way of life without a fight.

Tommy is a victim of state bulling. i don,t see any of the occupy someone else's back yard brigade getting dragged off anywhere ...

Jack, may I introduce your majesty to two concepts?

 

(1) The Concept of Grounds

Grounds are used to warrant or justify certain actions.  You can argue against the validity of a grounds if you like.  For example suppose someone maliciously labels you as a Nazi several times in front of a TV camera, when one of the major problems your organisation faces is that of being labelled as a Nazi and not being seen to reject that assertion - you can argue against the validity of that if you like, although I think your argument will be weak.

But if you just say "I'm going to perform that action on you too" without giving the same grounds as the reason, in fact, not giving any grounds as a justification, just performing a random capricious slapping act - then you are displaying the same lack of reason that our leftist opponents are renowned for. 

 

(2) Don't judge a man till you've walked two moons in his moccasins

Its all very well for you to lay down a high moral standard, but would you insist on that same standard in a battle front?  in a prison?  caught in the middle of a street riot?  When Tommy is out on the political 'front lines' of a demo, its not a vicar's tea party, and nasty things do happen.  With just a moments hesitation, a situation could be lost.  With a few minutes of carelessness and lack of observation, you can be left surrounded and vastly outnumbered by a baying Muslim mob (as was one of the buses on the way from the Tower Hamlets demo).

We should not be so hasty to criticize actions taken in extreme situations, from the safety of middle England, or from a placid British court room.


Jack Rainbow said:

OK, Mr Lennon is right, you are in for a clip round the ear when I get hold of you.
Arthur said:

I think Tommy came across well and as for giving a nazi a clip round the ear, well done, as that's what most folk would have done.

What I like about Tommy is that he is an honest and truthful person, and anyone can see that this issue is indeed terrifying for Britain in general. But we still have many issues with the Jewish communities as they won't stand up and defend the EDL.  Although I have to say I have seen a few starting to stand up now, by their comments on blogs, etc... but they still cant bring themselves to accompany us. 


OK, you've introduced me to your concepts. But, all you have done is justify violence. Its OK for me to hit people in some circumstances, is that what you are saying, Alan? Because if so, I'd have to hit you for offending me (your highness), same as Mr lennon hit someone for offending him, and that would be justified by your arguments, if not reason and law

I want Mr Lennon to continue to do his valuable work. I do not want him to think its OK just to hit people unless its really in self defence. Just for your information, I have been in plenty of circumstance where things got physical and I do not condone or justify my own violent behaviour or that of others on those ocasions, my violent responses could all have been better dealt with by other means and by better self-control.

 


Alan Lake said:

Jack, may I introduce your majesty to two concepts?

 

(1) The Concept of Grounds

Grounds are used to warrant or justify certain actions.  You can argue against the validity of a grounds if you like ...

You can't expect people to be perfect, they react to circumstances, as did Prescot a few years ago, Tommy is an ordinary bloke thrown headfirst into a position that most people could not cope with, one of the reasons he is admired, no airs and graces, every thing up front so to speak.

If he were to start acting and talking like a slimy politician I think he would lose support, after all there are all ready plenty of these slimy politicians, we don't need them in the EDL.

I also think it's taking what he did and comparing it with torture and waterboarding.

 

Arthur.

Jack Rainbow said:

hey, I don't want to live in a society where its legal for some people to hit other people in some circumstances. A true leader of the people will never resort to petty violence like 'they was shouting nazi nazi so I slapped 'em.' much as I loathe islam I will not accept such behaviour. you will be telling me torture, waterboarding etc is justified, next. No, no hitting, no slapping, no muslim -type behaviour, got it? 
I can,t hear curchill say 'we shall hug them on the beach's, we shall hug them on the landing grounds, we shall hug them in the fields and the streets,'

Some people now you have to stand up and defend yourself. if the day ever comes that you need somone to defend you or your family jack, i hope some one with the ability to give out a good slap is on hand for you. Rock on Tommy, No Surrender!

If so many were not spending hours each day whining on the web, if they got active and actually did something, why then our enemies would all have fled instead. There can never be justification for violence.

 

I must consider what I am doing on 4freedoms, with many of you so avidly justifying violence outside the rule of law. I do not want to be part of that, it is unnecessary, it is ignorant, it reduces resistance to Islam from an organised, cohesive force to an undisciplined rabble.  The day I need some illiterate jackass to slap someone illegally to defend my family is the day I will already be lost to islam.

 

paul collings said:

I can,t hear churchill say 'we shall hug them on the beach's, we shall hug them on the landing grounds, we shall hug them in the fields and the streets,'

Some people now you have to stand up and defend yourself. if the day ever comes that you need somone to defend you or your family jack, i hope some one with the ability to give out a good slap is on hand for you. Rock on Tommy, No Surrender!

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