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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23. 0 Replies

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26. 1 Reply

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Feb 3. 432 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27. 69 Replies

The State is your Enemy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 6 Replies

Choudary, Anjem.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Aug 23, 2016. 4 Replies

The EDL and the Fascist Experts

Started by Joe. Last reply by Kinana Jul 15, 2016. 59 Replies

Dear Bishop Cocksworth

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake May 20, 2016. 4 Replies

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Comment by paul collings on May 24, 2016 at 11:03


what i gather from Dawkins is he wants everyone to insult Islam, because i presume he's thinking they can't lock everyone up.

Trouble is, its against the law to insult Islam. The population of this country know it. People are self policing on the subject of Islam.  Most of us would be severely inconvenienced by six months in prison. Plus all the aggro of court cases, and the added possibility of job loss and Islamic violence.

Thousands have protested, many have written, and dozens have raised their heads above the wall in defiance against Islam and dangers it brings.

How many are left? how many have been demonised, arrested, And in the case of Tommy Robinson hoaded and abused by their own police and government.

All this talk of Insulting Islam is 30 years to late. As for Dawkins saying we should prioritise those refugees who have left Islam ? Good luck with Idea. Its just the sort of Idea Islam loves us stupid dhimmis to come up with.

If we in Europe and beyond believe we have a culture and way of life worth preserving, we are going to have to do better than finding a way to insult Islam.

We will be a minority in this Country within 50 years at present rates. Thats just a reality. Would any of us go to a Muslim country and start insulting them.

Tommy Robinson himself said..'if we have freedom of speech in this country, and we're free to insult Islam, heres the micro phone'.

Dawkins is 75. Maybe he can dedicate the rest of his life to insulting Islam and showing us the way.

Comment by Antony on May 24, 2016 at 10:21

Richard Dawkins says Islam should be offended ;

Comment by Antony on May 24, 2016 at 6:19

Muslims and their white trash collaborators due for sentencing ;

Comment by Alan Lake on May 24, 2016 at 4:40
Shrapnel will ‘take children’s heads off’: Shocking bomb threats force 21 UK schools to evacuate
Comment by Heather Gilbert on May 23, 2016 at 19:32

Re: Amnesty. It is a lie. I would not trust Amnesty if they told me tommorow is Tuesday. 

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 23, 2016 at 14:58

This BBC poll achieved its aim of demonstrating that the native British are wrong, biased and ignorant; and have misunderstood the harmless, loving and peaceful nature of Islam completely.

“I find it difficult that people are not accepting of Islam”

"I know the teachings of Islam, and I know there is nothing in Islam which hinders anyone from becoming an integrated member of society, Islam teaches loyalty to one's country.

"I think these findings are based on ignorance," he said.

"I feel it's my duty to let people know what the true Islam is."

-does he really believe this? 

I would laugh if it was not so tragic and serious.

Like I say; it is who you ask, how you phrase the questions and what you intend the result of the poll to show.

I have seen politically biased reporting all too often to believe any poll that the left publish.

I know the teachings of Islam, and I know that it hinders Muslims in becoming integrated members of society, Islam teaches loyalty only to Islam.

What the poll inadvertently shows, is that the British are far smarter than supposed and actually do believe that Islam is incompatible with British values.

Comment by Antony on May 23, 2016 at 8:29

Poll shows majority of Brits think islam is incompatible ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 22, 2016 at 17:12

New poll shows overwhelming support in UK for refugees.

If it looks like a lie, sounds like a lie and smells like a lie; then it is a lie.

AI is a politically biased none government organization. 27000 people in 27 countries were asked. If you ask someone if they would help someone in need you can bet most people will answer yes. If you ask them if they want to become a minority in an islamic state, it is possible that they would answer no.

It all depends what questions are asked and how they are phrased.

Comment by Antony on May 22, 2016 at 12:04

Albanian muslim vs Black British fight at Wandsworth Prison ;

Comment by Antony on May 22, 2016 at 6:16

The polls show it is still neck & neck over leaving the EU - the Leave camp had better come up with something new and vibrant - otherwise the Remain globalists camp's "banality of fear" tactic will win by default.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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