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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23. 0 Replies

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26. 1 Reply

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Feb 3. 432 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27. 69 Replies

The State is your Enemy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 6 Replies

Choudary, Anjem.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Aug 23, 2016. 4 Replies

The EDL and the Fascist Experts

Started by Joe. Last reply by Kinana Jul 15, 2016. 59 Replies

Dear Bishop Cocksworth

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake May 20, 2016. 4 Replies

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Comment by Antony on August 15, 2017 at 6:31
Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 13, 2017 at 16:37

“…Waters called for mass deportations, "many" mosque closures and an end to immigration from majority-Muslim countries”

I like what Waters says and I trust her. It is easy to be seduced by the positive sides of socialism, until you understand the damage it is doing now.

The Soviet Union was not destroyed by Stalin, it was a non-viable lifeform from the beginning. At a low level in health education and housing it works, but it rapidly, as it gathers power, becomes a monster that comsumes everything in its ambition to dominate and control every single thing.

So I have rejected socialism in favour of common sense, and internationalism in favour of reality.

I do not think waters has a hidden agenda, like I suspect Alex Salmond did when he joined the SNP.

Comment by Alan Lake on August 13, 2017 at 15:03

Heather, in all the times I spoke with her, I never once got a sense that she is a Marxist. Do you have any direct quotes from a trustable source? (And wikipedia is not trustable, BTW)

Comment by paul collings on August 13, 2017 at 13:11
UKip were set up to save the pound if I remember correctly. Farage their highest profile member never managed to get elected to Parliament, since he left UKip. Has become a shambles. Ann Maria could not possibly cause NY trouble for them, she could galvanise enough of a protest vote to help shape future policy before A real right wing group forms.
Ann Maria won't win anyway For many reasons. UKip would rather implode than vote for someone who's against Islam.
Comment by Heather Gilbert on August 13, 2017 at 11:22

Paul Collings, just wondered if you are aware that Anne Marie Waters is a marxist? I think she would be extremely damaging to UKIP. I would not vote for a marxist. 

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 12, 2017 at 9:06

Oldham council. Those that are socialism-indoctrinated will have no difficulty in fully converting to Islam. They are totalitarianism devotees that want to be told what to do and what to think. Blind obedience is their creed and absolute belief in their own moral superiority.

It would be futile to ask Muslims or Socialists to think for themselves, like any that believe in any system of belief they are incapable of independent, neutral, objective and rational thought, logic just is not part of their mentality. All of these systems of belief have much in common. They do not allow dissent and they have threats and punishments built into them, and they all demand blind, unquestioning belief and obedience. Any debate is purely academic, because every discussion will always end with the same conclusion; that of confirming the wisdom and truth of the belief system/ religion.

Comment by paul collings on August 12, 2017 at 8:55
Anthony, the people of Oldham voted those councillors into office.
Choose your leader more carefully. Vote for openly anti Islam candidates.
I see Ann Maria has been allowed to stand for uKip. Everyone must vote for her. Weather she's the best candidate or not doesn't matter. She's anti Islam and it would send a message to the criminals running our Parliament that people have had their fill of them and their social engineering. But it won't happen.
Comment by paul collings on August 12, 2017 at 8:50
Everyone's allowed their say as long as it's not more than a 1000 characters. Choose your words carefully.

Sharia is a violent disgusting mental disorder. Anyone who wants it or supports it is a 7th century brain fart. Sharia is Islam. Is that civil enough.
Comment by Antony on August 12, 2017 at 6:29
Comment by Kinana on August 12, 2017 at 3:07

The propaganda war has another outlet. The EDL website now allows for guest writers. Go here for guidelines and to get started!


Members (243)


Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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