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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Billy Bragg, the EDL and that Smile!

Started by C J Bernard Oct 10, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12, 2017. 22 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton Aug 30, 2017. 0 Replies

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26, 2017. 1 Reply

Hate not Hope release another report

Started by Alan Lake Feb 21, 2017. 0 Replies

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Feb 3, 2017. 432 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27, 2017. 69 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on October 9, 2017 at 9:58

If they can find a political organisation that they can approve of, the FLA leaders should recommend that FLA associates/members join that party and also vote for it at elections. The only way that I can see to get change is by engaging actively in politics and getting candidates to stand for election. That nationalists and patriots become the law-makers or at least get a voice in Parliament. Another thing is that we are talking about making Britain/England British again, which of course opens up to accusations of racism.

It is important to address this issue and to find a patent response that all members can learn by heart. How do you neutralize accusations of racism, nazism and islamophobia? We all have to be equipped with a patent answer to the patent accusations that are always levelled at us from the Left.

Any suggestions??

I cannot help because;

my reply is, yes I am a racist, so what. I want England to be English.

And no I am not a Nazi, I do not believe other races to be inferior or that they should be exterminated and I do not believe that there is a global Zionist Conspiracy.

And, yes I hate and fear Islam and do not want Muslims in Britain because they are Islam and being Muslims will have a first allegiance to an Islam that ideologically is committed to forcing every single human being on this planet to convert to or otherwise submit to Islam.

Comment by Antony on October 9, 2017 at 7:03

I think the FLA needs to branch out into recruiting from other sports ! ;

Comment by Antony on October 9, 2017 at 6:36

Football Lads Alliance has the potential to grow far bigger - they need to advertise their marches better and get a decent website and facebook page... and be aware of state/leftist/cabal infiltration....

Comment by Alan Lake on October 9, 2017 at 5:14

From the Independent newspaper report:

Wreaths were brought by some marchers to be laid on Westminster Bridge, where five people were killed when a vehicle rammed them in March.

Good heavens, a vehicle?  I think the "Independent" is displaying rampant vehiclophobia here!  By holding the vehicle to blame for this terrorist attack, they are clearly prejudiced and racist against all vehicles and must be silenced.

 “If Tommy Robinson is there, and people are taking selfies with him, that isn’t good, said Mr Bradley. You’ve got to be worried about it all.” 

Good heavens, selfies?  Why on earth were we worrying about Lee Rigby having his head cut off in broad daylight, when people are doing things like taking Selfies with famous people?  Lets get some perspective here guys!

Comment by Antony on October 8, 2017 at 20:31
Comment by Philip Smeeton on October 8, 2017 at 15:41

“Dianne Abbott was among the signatories of a statement penned by Stand up to Racism, who said the group should make clear there is no place for right-wing extremists to speak on the march”

But it is OK for left-wing extremists to speak anywhere.

SutR claim to be “the majority”. If they are, then god help us.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on October 8, 2017 at 15:33

“But anti-racism activists have said members have links to the English Defence League (EDL) and other racist organisations.”

"We're against all extremism, no matter what the press say. We're just normal people."

“…putting the attendance figure at 30,000.”

“Dianne Abbott was among the signatories of a statement penned by Stand up to Racism, who said the group should make clear there is no place for right-wing extremists to speak on the march”

“The ex-English Defence League founder appeared to be reporting on the march for The Rebel Media, but was also spotted smiling with supporters”

To smile has become hate-speech, a hate-crime and racism.

To protest against terrorist attacks is far-right extremism.

“THOUSANDS of football fans descended on London today to protest against extremism after a spate of terror attacks in the UK.”

It is wonderful that so many demonstrate, but it will have no effect. Only real political power has effect, and “normal people” are denied political power due to the antiquated British electoral system.

Those that have power and that are listened to are “abnormal people like Diane Abbot and Stand up to Racism that want more immigration.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on October 8, 2017 at 15:32

I am a right-wing extremist, in other words I am English, a nationalist and a patriot.

I would add that islamists born in Britain should be repatriated to the homeland of their ancestors.


Comment by paul collings on October 8, 2017 at 12:43

So, the Football Lads alliance along with some support from several other groups stood atop an open top double decker bus, speaking to many thousands of people. Some were football firms, some were ex -service personnel, including members of the Gurkha regiment. And off course the many people who were there hoping this was going to be the movement that was listened to, by the Government and wider society.

On the point of being listened to, well, what has anyone heard this morning about the march? A march that started on Park lane, one of the busiest roads in London. The march weaved its way up Piccadilly, the Mall past Trafalgar Square ending on Westminster bridge. Has anyone heard one mention on the TV?

Can you imagine if Diane Abbott had march at the head of twenty thousand people, let’s say a group calling themselves Anti-fascists. Would she go un noticed?

The online papers have taken the time to do a hatchet job on the demo. The independent has called it a far right linked group, saying how Tommy Robinson was there, but failing to mention the leaders of the March.
Anywhere the march has been written about, the group have been called EDL, far right and portrayed as bigots.

The march passed a counter demo on route. The members of the counter demo were calling those walking passed Fascist, and racist, the claim that they stood quietly as 20,000 people marched by is nonsense. And yes, many people from the FLA march did react, there was a few plastic bottles thrown, (which means they passed Sky’s single use test), and a tin or two, plenty of abuse no one was physically attackedbut they did violate the spirit of the march.

If one bottle is thrown, then everyone is a thug, if one person chants a derogatory verse, then everyone’s a hooligan, and one person calls ‘them’ the fascists, then that makes everyone on that march a far right-wing Nazi.

It was strange to be in a march and watch ex-service personnel including Gurkha’s being called Fascists. But surely the whole point of the march was too parade as many ‘far right’ people past a group of anti-fascists so it could be made clear to them what they are.

The anti-fascists were said to be scared and intimidated. Off course they were.They didn’t expect to be questioned. The FLA were supposed to be in a silent walk.

We can think about how the situation would have looked had the group of marchers been Antifa, and the counter demo had been 50 FLA supporters.

We can look at how most demos involving Antifa, UaF, and the socialist workers party end. We normally get windows smashed, business’s attacked, the Police attacked and general mayhem. Yesterday there was a bit of shouting, a couple of bangers let off, and a little bit of rowdiness. No arrests.

And that sums up the day. Nothing happened, certainly nothing worth reporting. It’s as though it never happened. Certainly the media nor the Government are going to acknowledge being called cowards. Not until the media have smeared and broken the group calling them names. Somethings I did notice on the day out were barriers on Westminster bridge. I wonder why they were there? Something else I noticed. A lot of Islamic looking people walking through the march, some wondering what was happening, others filming the event, and others filming themselves for their personal blogs. complaining how intimidating this group of Far right types are. Especially if you really try hard to say so.

Comment by Antony on October 8, 2017 at 6:56

Football Lads Alliance gets 30 000 - media silent ! ;


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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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