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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe yesterday. 434 Replies

Billy Bragg, the EDL and that Smile!

Started by C J Bernard Oct 10, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12, 2017. 22 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton Aug 30, 2017. 0 Replies

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26, 2017. 1 Reply

Hate not Hope release another report

Started by Alan Lake Feb 21, 2017. 0 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27, 2017. 69 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 16, 2017 at 9:49

Merry Momass.

Comment by Antony on November 15, 2017 at 17:33
Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 13, 2017 at 21:49

An alternative to people giving back what they have taken is for them to take more, which is what the Muslims are doing and that we stopped doing. The only way to get back what has been taken from you is to be more ruthless than the thief. How to stop a thief, shoot the fucker. We Europeans have to remeber that we are men and what we are capable of and do it. Take it all back.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 13, 2017 at 18:57

From the Prince Charles letter:

“I know there are so many complex issues, but how can there ever be an end to terrorism unless the causes are eliminated?"

Excuse me?  We all know that the cause of terrorism is Islam, and where there is no Islam there is no terrorism, so is Prince Charles saying that Islam should be eradicated from the world?  Shocking!

Comment by Alan Lake on November 13, 2017 at 18:53

I agree with the Muslims about the principal behind the Israel question: that everyone should get back to their original homeland, and give up the lands the conquered and colonised in the past.  It's the 21st century now, and we really need to consign imperialism to the waste bin of history.

So really, all 1.8 billion Muslims should go back and live in Medina. They might say that they should have Mecca as well, but that too was conquered by external Islamic forces, so should be returned to its original pagan inhabitants.

Comment by Antony on November 13, 2017 at 17:21

Israel is Jewish, as is proved by archeological evidence, but other tribes also lived there - so it is disputed territory - and it is a dispute the West need not get involved in as it is not to our benefit.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 13, 2017 at 16:53

Britain is not the homeland of the Muslims, their homelands are elsewhere.They have no right to be here. However their conquest could succeed and then Britain would be owned by them to do as they please with.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 13, 2017 at 16:48

King Charles The Third.

“….has a long history of promoting interfaith dialogue and cultural understanding.”

He understands the “Jewish Problem” but fails to understand the “Muslim Problem”.

The Jews like anyone else have a right to own a homeland, and while it is understandable that the Arabs object to Israel being resurrected on land that they had conquered and considered their own. The Jews reconquered and now own Israel. And will do so for as long as they can protect their nation. The Europeans conquered and held North America, the English conquered England and own it. Most territory has been owned, conquered or lost at one time or another throughout history. 

Every folk has a right to a territory to call their nation and homeland, whether they get it by referendum, treaty or war. The Kurds have a right, the Scots have a right, the Catalans have a right, and the English have a right and must fight to protect their property.

That the Jews were spread across the Middle-East and Europe and lost their nation, and perhaps have interbred somewhat along the way has nothing to do with the fact that they identify as Jews and can trace their ancestry, their dream of a homeland has been fulfilled and must be respected. The Arabs can be compensated and resettled. 

It is doubtful that the Arabs will ever really accept this. If we allow the Muslims to become a majority in England we, will experience what it is like to lose a territory and to become nationless and homeless.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 12, 2017 at 16:49
Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 12, 2017 at 16:39

Not sure that I have much faith in Farage, but I would love to see a resurgence of nationalism in Britain.

-However, Mr. Farage pointed to the sea-change that began in 2016, when “the nation-state had a comeback”.

“It was the year people said, ‘We’re not prepared to live with globalism, with liberalism, with being embarrassed about our culture, our heritage, who we are as a people.”

There'll always be an England

And England shall be free

If England means as much to you

As England means to me.

Vera Lynn.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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