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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard Apr 22. 0 Replies

The Dying of Free Speech in the UK

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Antony Apr 4. 3 Replies

The EDL and the POTUS

Started by C J Bernard Mar 31. 0 Replies

Billy Bragg, the EDL and that Smile!

Started by C J Bernard Oct 10, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12, 2017. 22 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton Aug 30, 2017. 0 Replies

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23, 2017. 0 Replies

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Comment by Antony on January 13, 2018 at 10:01
Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 12, 2018 at 15:39

Muslims put Islam and Sharia before every other authority or law. The only thing you can trust a muslim to do is to betray you, not because he is evil but because to him it is the right thing to do, we are unworthy of respect or truth.

Comment by Antony on January 11, 2018 at 22:20
Comment by Alan Lake on January 11, 2018 at 18:57

We keep being told that we should accept more immigrants and look after the entire world.  We are also told that the NHS is under massive pressure.  Do these loons ever join the dots?  I thought the next story really tells you how low standards have sunk.  Basically, the doctors stood by and watched while this man's testicle expanded till it exploded, over a period of two weeks.

Comment by Antony on January 11, 2018 at 13:18

Alan - yup - why should muslims go through the hassle of travelling to the middle east or Afghanistan and join ISIS or Al Queda to train how to use weapons and learn where all the guns are kept when the "British" Army will pay them to do it over here ?!

Comment by Alan Lake on January 11, 2018 at 12:41

That British Army recruitment ad is truly shocking.  Do they really think that the allegiance of those Muslim soldiers will be to the Queen, not Allah?  What morons.

Comment by Antony on January 11, 2018 at 12:07

Scotland considers giving migrants the vote - Wales should become a sanctuary nation ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 11, 2018 at 11:01

“Today, at Laganside Court in Belfast, Britain First leader Paul Golding pleaded not guilty to the charges of making a speech criticising Islam. “
This is from BritainFirst.
Is he being charged with “criticising Islam”? Is this a crime?
He has been charged with "inciting hatred”, but all he has actually done is criticised Islam. I guess at least one million people are guilty of that crime. Build more prisons!

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 11, 2018 at 10:37

It's not about discriminating gays in the military. Don't ask don't tell worked fine. But as soon as you focus on not discriminating one group you end up being forced to accept almost anyone that can claim to be discriminated. There are very good reasons not to trust Muslims. Having transgender or women living close together with men makes things unnecessarily complicated. Women are bound to get abused and transsexuals mistreated. It would go out over morale and the fighting spirit in combat troops. In order to survive and be effective the combat group must not have internal conflict. You bond with the group and trust your life to them. As in everything else, we want the most capable people to do the job, unfettered.

Comment by Antony on January 11, 2018 at 10:09

Re the "British" army ad below - I've nothing against gays joining the army - but why did they have to use a picture of a camp looking bloke with a beard demonstrating a submissive gay sex position ?!


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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