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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

The Dying of Free Speech in the UK

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Antony Apr 4. 3 Replies

The EDL and the POTUS

Started by C J Bernard Mar 31. 0 Replies

Billy Bragg, the EDL and that Smile!

Started by C J Bernard Oct 10, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12, 2017. 22 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton Aug 30, 2017. 0 Replies

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26, 2017. 1 Reply

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 1, 2018 at 14:22

If you count the Quran, Hadiths, the Sira and texts written since the time of Mohammed then Muslims “publish” books that tell the truth about Islam. Who then lies or refuses to see what is written? The muslims and socialists are perfect allies. Delusional, or deceiving and lying.
I would never waste my time entering into a discussion with any Muslim or Socialist, you cannot make any impact on blind faith.
It has gone too far when, unchallenged, people of African and Asian descent can say and believe “I am English just like you”.

Comment by Tony Ashworth on March 1, 2018 at 12:54

Udi, Blackburn is gone mate. Kapput. End ex. Finished. We can't change it. They've had Blackburn by the throat for many years. If we'd of nipped it in the bud 30 years ago, throughout the country, we may of stood a chance. Burnley and the surrounding towns will fall soon too. There isn't enough of us with the required spine to make any difference. We must pull back, re-group, defend the regions we populate, but we wont. We'll keep running, keep moving away and handing it all over because thats what we do. 

Comment by Udi Shayat on March 1, 2018 at 11:43
In 2015 the following message show a bad situation. Now it is probably a disaster situation. I think we need to suggest solution and suggest a party or a leader politician which has any chance to change it.
It won't help to write your opinion on anything- we need to show evidences and bring suggestions. Udi
Added by Almog to Kuffarphobia in UK at 18:23 on April 12, 2015
Topic: UK Catholic School Now (in 215) 95% Muslim
Ders say it is no longer “appropriate” for them to run Sacred Heart RC Primary School which has just six Christian pupils. Just 10 years ago more than 90% of pupils were Catholic. But now most are of Asian origin, do not speak English as their first language and follow Islam. The school in Blackburn, Lancs, could be handed to the nearby Masjid-e-Tauheedul mosque. Harry Devonport of Blackburn with Darwen Council Children’s Services, said the decision to abandon the school was made by the Diocese of Salford. Diocese education director Geraldine Bradbury said: “We have never experienced a change to this extent before. We would not be serving the local community by insisting that we run the school. It brings things like having a Catholic headteacher and devoting 10% of the timetable to RE. “It would be wrong of us to insist on putting a school community through that.” The mosque runs an Islamic girls’ secondary school. Head Hamid Patel said: “Given that almost all of the pupils are Muslim, it makes sense.” 
Comment by Alan Lake on March 1, 2018 at 7:39

Yes, it is astounding.  Noam Chomsky called it the conspiracy of common interest, or something like that. He meant the right wing, but that was "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."

Comment by Joe on March 1, 2018 at 0:46

The more research I do, the more I realise how many people have published books telling truth about Islam over the last 20 years.  Yet the media narrative and what the politicians say has become increasingly deceptive.

They don't need to collude. They breathe the same air.  

How often have you noticed the consensus of opinion on some controversial subject is the same?  People don't actively consent to the consensus.  They see the signals, they see how those who don't conform are punished, they learn the lesson, they conform and the consensus is formed.  It comes from breathing together.

Comment by Joe on March 1, 2018 at 0:40

The court of public opinion is more breathing together.

CPS slanders TR.

Retiring "counter terror chief" repeats slander

All of this echoed by the media with no dissent and no critique.

TR states some fact.

Muslims use the much publicised slander as the way to get TR removed off Twitter.

Comment by Alan Lake on February 28, 2018 at 23:58

Its not a problem Philip, I value diversity of opinion. Surely, to fully understand a political problem, must must have an overview of all possible responses to it?

in any case, I have moved to 2 new, extreme and somewhat revolutionary positions myself.

1. There are circumstances where we must bring back the almost medieval notion of Collective Responsibility, Collective Guilt, and even Collective punishment.  So, for example, there could be a Jizya tax applied to Muslims, to pay for the extra financial burdens they bring on society, in terms of criminals in prison, policing of terrorism, and perhaps even the provision of Halal food in state institutions.  This would work by self identifying your group, followed by an admission card, allocation of rights, and application of costs.  Admission to a mosque should be restricted to those who can show a government registered membership card. The card can be withdrawn in case of bad behaviour. That finally would put the the arguments about “you can’t blame all Muslims” to bed.  Since we seem to have accepted that the law on FGM is unenforceable, the UK could the say it is legal for this clearly defined group called Muslims, and that would at least be honest. I’m not saying i want this, just saying that is a way of stopping lying to ourselves.

2. People always demand statistical data to warrant a position. But again, in certain circumstances, as low as one anecdotal incident, may be enough to warrant a position.  

For example, I believe profiling is warranted at airports, and the burqa should be banned, because of statistical data showing that Muslims are more likely bomb or hijack the aircraft, and other data shows that the burqa is used in crime and terrorism. But a single case like the beheading of Lee Rigby, or 9/11, or the assassination if the queen, is awful enough ON ITS OWN, to justify a major policy change.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 28, 2018 at 10:32

I cannot tolerate them being here, I can only tolerate them being there.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 28, 2018 at 10:08

The rules, reason, logic and fact, do not apply when attacking white people. Whites deserve to be hated and murdered, ask any white liberal. Fairness and justice does not apply. An angry coloured mob tears a white man to pieces and it is his fault, an angry white mob tears a black man to pieces and the world is in uproar. This is the reality of the present day and white people that can think are going to react. I do not like racism or any sort of unpleasantness but what is happening, has happened, gives me no choice other than to be racist and ally myself with like-minded Europeans.

By the way Alan if my opinions are damaging to 4F just say the word and you will hear no more from me. It does not help in the slightest to argue that not all muslims or blacks are evil. What use examining the individual when the group as a whole is out of control, hates and wishes you harm.

Comment by Antony on February 28, 2018 at 6:56

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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