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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

The Police Will Not Protect You

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 5. 1 Reply

Racist Attacks on White People

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 12. 102 Replies

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard Apr 22. 0 Replies

The Dying of Free Speech in the UK

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Antony Apr 4. 3 Replies

The EDL and the POTUS

Started by C J Bernard Mar 31. 0 Replies

Billy Bragg, the EDL and that Smile!

Started by C J Bernard Oct 10, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12, 2017. 22 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton Aug 30, 2017. 0 Replies

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Comment by Joe on April 18, 2018 at 15:54

I looked through the report but couldn't see anything about the ethnicity of the respondents.

However, looking at the chart on p.11, only 11% believe in allowing in unproductive people.

13% thought we should stop all immigration (at least until the economy booms).

So, assuming they just packed 20% of unwanted immigrants into the survey sample, the number in favour of immigration should be reduced to about 9% and the number opposing it entirely can probably be increased to about 15%.   And this is after 50 years of brainwashing and demonising of Powell.

Comment by Joe on April 18, 2018 at 15:43

That Guardian report is meaningless rubbish.

The only people who should be able to have a response on such a survey on the failures of multiculturalism should be the native British.  Anyone from the EU, Africa or Asia, etc. has no opinion on multiculturalism in Britain that is of any value.

We never asked for them to be here.  Multiculturalism was imposed upon us as an afterthought to the problems of turning the UK from 100% British to 80% British.  

Without making it clear that the respondent's family was here 50 years ago, it is meaningless.  The Left are so blind they cannot see that this is a significant measure of the attitude to the invasion.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 17, 2018 at 15:16

There are terrible and disgusting things going on every single day in the middle east but this gas attack was obviously fake.

Comment by Antony on April 17, 2018 at 14:34
Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 17, 2018 at 9:42

It is a strange strange strange strange strange world when the far-left condemn their pet, the BBC.

-"GEORGE Galloway has declared he will no longer pay for the BBC - because he claims it is biased."

Now, this staement by Galloway belongs on the dark humour page. Ha Ha Ha!

“I will not pay to be lied to #TVLivenceStrike #BBC”
“I won’t watch or listen or appear on the #BBC henceforth."
And Corbyn is condemning the GUARDIAN! lol.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 17, 2018 at 9:27

I will not even live in Oslo, crime is out of control there too.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 17, 2018 at 9:26

The Joys of Immigration.
London: Two Killed in 30 Minutes Overnight, U.S. Visitors Fearful of ‘Crazy’ Violent City

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 16, 2018 at 12:33

"Multiculturalism has failed, believe substantial minority of Britons". 43%. (70% among conservatives. The leftists believe that multiculturalism is working). More than 30% believe that Islam is compatible with British culture. "A majority of people – 59% – believe that having a wide variety of cultures and backgrounds is part of British culture..." not true.
Talk about stating the obvious. The problem is that even though it is obvious that integration does not work and mass-immigration is destructive, nothing sensible is going to be done about it and authorities will refuse to recognise that attempts to encourage immigrants to assimilate largely do not work. They are going to waste resources and put more effort into integration schemes that will not work, continue to have no effect. While immigration will continue. Multiculturalism; or to give it its proper definition, multiethnicism and multiracialism; does not work. The only thing that can be done about it is to repatriate these groups to their own homelands and culture.
There are irreconcilable differences between the cultures of immigrant groups entering Britain, between the groups themselves and with British culture. This leads to self-segregation and ethnic conflict.
Self-segregation is a natural process that occurs when groups of people with fundamental and irreconcilable differences occupy the same territory. They simply seek association with their own kind.
I would say that Britain is split down the middle on this issue.
Hope not Hate gives a positive review to Generation Identity- “Its message is even more toxic than groups like the EDL, pushing extreme anti-Muslim prejudice and ideas such as racial separatism and repatriation,”

-A Gallup poll conducted weeks after the 1968 speech found 74% of the British population agreed with the “Rivers of Blood” speech, in which Powell strongly criticised levels of immigration to Britain, particularly from the Commonwealth. Powell said he was “filled with foreboding – like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood”.

We were dreadfully betrayed by our government in the 60's.

Comment by Antony on April 16, 2018 at 9:58
Comment by Antony on April 16, 2018 at 6:18

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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