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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Britain First

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 2. 4 Replies

UK Police submitting to mob rule

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 28. 4 Replies

Patriotic Alternative

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 28. 3 Replies

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Oct 16, 2020. 475 Replies

Gold Wars

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 11, 2020. 5 Replies

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by paul collings Mar 19, 2020. 1 Reply

The Police Will Not Protect You

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 11, 2020. 2 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 26, 2020. 24 Replies

Why have the white British left London?

Started by Joe. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Feb 5, 2020. 49 Replies

Brexit and Islam

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 11, 2019. 12 Replies

Hate not Hope: the Pushback Begins

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Mar 22, 2019. 5 Replies

UK Police: Political Bias & Corruption

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 18, 2019. 3 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 7, 2020 at 17:46

Both Hitler and especially Stalin just let people starve to death by the million.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 7, 2020 at 17:44

Good luck Heather, Better safe than sorry, I'm buying things as they occur to me, today I bought a saucepan with metal handles so it can be used over a fire and a bucket shaped grill that fits it perfectly and can take charcoal  or bits of wood as fuel. Having got in the basics I am buying chocolate and candy and jam and tasty stuff so that the diet is not boring. Finding ways to avoid boredom are necessary too if this drags on too long. Hopefully we can laugh about it all soon, but at least we have done what we can, and sooner or later something like this can happen again. I have thought now and then what it would be like, especially in huge overcrowded cities, if the food supply dried up. Millions of the casualties of WWII simply died of starvation.

Comment by Heather Gilbert on February 7, 2020 at 14:12

I've got my supplies and am avoiding cities wherever possible.  So now we learn that anyone who has been in contact with the businessman with coronovirus should call 101....Slight problem there...They won't release his name. The ignorant idiot also took himself off to A+E before being placed in quarantine. Just how many people has he been in contact with?

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 5, 2020 at 17:34

There is only one solution and that is to deport them to country of origin, they are obviously not loyal to Britain and the British people. But who is going to do the job. Take an oath of allegiance or get out, break the oath of allegiance and be sent out. If no country will have them, send them to South Georgia Island in the Antarctic Ocean.

Comment by Kinana on February 5, 2020 at 16:22

"Met Police's Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu says officers can't trail all terror suspects because there are too many"

So Mr Policeman what is to be done?  How will you protect and serve?

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 5, 2020 at 15:18

These people display an ignorance of global human history and an ignorance of the reality of the way human beings of every race have behaved and treated each other. They take a minute part of thousands of years of history and the abuse of one set of human beings by another. The genocides of Africa and the many thousands of human sacrifices that the Mayans carried out then we have the millions that Muslims have murdered and enslaved. - the list is endless.

What was one of the characteristics of the psychopath? always playing the victim card, and in this case constantly the race card. They are stupid and ignorant and their hatred of whiteness is racist. Instead of complaining they should go and live in a country run by people of their own race.

My message: "Fuck off back to where you came from!"

Comment by Kinana on February 5, 2020 at 13:35

Reparations anyone?!

Well at least the evil British empire ended the Hindu practice of sati, the burning to death of a widow.  It could be that this woman is alive today because of General Charles James Napier:

source: wikipedia

Napier opposed suttee, or sati. This was the custom of burning a widow alive on the funeral pyre of her husband. Sati was rare in Sindh during the time Napier stayed in this region.[18] Napier judged that the immolation was motivated by profits for the priests, and when told of an actual Sati about to take place, he informed those involved that he would stop the sacrifice. The priests complained to him that this was a customary religious rite, and that customs of a nation should be respected. As recounted by his brother William, he replied:

"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs." [18]

Of course, David Lamy jumps in with praise.

David Lammy
Replying to
Wonderful speech. All our ancestors are smiling.
Comment by Joe on February 5, 2020 at 12:06

27 Jan - UK Health Minister "self isolate" if you have come back from Wuhan and feel ill.

9 Days later UK tells all Brits to get out of anywhere in China.  That shows how fast this is moving.

With this cruise ship "floating prison" quarantined in HK I think we will soon see an end to all cruises until this problem is contained.

Meanwhile stock markets all over the world shot up last night - clearly an inter-governmental action to signal "nothing to worry about".  This will all change within a week, once even 1% of the population realise that it's not possible to buy a facemask (online stores are taking orders that won't be fulfilled at all until late Feb/early March). I just had a look at my local DIY superstore - not one facemask in stock. I have about 50 of the surgical masks at home (wrapped up in plastic from the SARS epidemic) and a respirator from when I was removing artex from my flat.  

Anyway I think I'll stop myself from posting anything else.  I don't want to take over this forum with stuff not directly related to the UK.  

Singapore is the place to watch.  Govt there will be prepared for draconian action, but that country is more open than China.  Very high % are Chinese (so lots of interaction with mainland China),  very dense living in SG and SG has world-class medical system. They're not overwhelmed nor as secretive as China. I think that the transmission/death/quarantining in SG is going to be the best indication we are going to get about the international scale of this problem. Once they start to ban public gatherings/close schools then we know that this is very serious outside of China.

Singapore is like a large cruise ship, with lots of Chinese passengers who travel widely.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 4, 2020 at 18:55

Of course the government policy would be to not cause panic. But in the event of a virus spreading and thousands dying they would be powerless anyway, just as we all would. But even someone on death row wants to live for just one more day and then another. 

Let's hope this just turns out to be an interesting experience.

Comment by Joe on February 4, 2020 at 17:11

May be coincidental, a few minutes ago I got a text from my GP telling me to contact them about my asthma.  But I would imagine the first thing that the NHS will do is start to check up on people with known breathing problems.  I will see if anyone else I know with asthma gets contacted in the next few days.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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