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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 30. 441 Replies

The Persecution of Tommy Robinson

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Victor Davis Hanson: collected articles

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The Police Will Not Protect You

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 5. 1 Reply

Racist Attacks on White People

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 12. 102 Replies

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard Apr 22. 0 Replies

The Dying of Free Speech in the UK

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Antony Apr 4. 3 Replies

The EDL and the POTUS

Started by C J Bernard Mar 31. 0 Replies

Billy Bragg, the EDL and that Smile!

Started by C J Bernard Oct 10, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12, 2017. 22 Replies

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Comment by Darren O'Connell on October 13, 2009 at 8:01
The way to gain public support and prevent media propaganda is as was done in Manchester maintain a dignified silence whilst observing the 2 minutes for our fallen soldiers and not to rise to the real traitors (UAF). I will be attending the Swansea protest but already the media has hijacked the headlines with Cardiff vs Swansea hooligans top of the agenda.I urge everyone who attends not to let yourselves and the EDL down by giving the extreme left wing media what they desire.
Comment by Anglo saxon on October 12, 2009 at 23:51
You are so right Matthew the more the media talk about the EDL the more people will start to look at what the EDL is all about and the core roots of the EDL and more people will join us.
Comment by FreedomFry on October 12, 2009 at 23:44
re: andy spencer and sam smith's exchange, it really worries me that some people don't understand the central importance of the image we project in public and how we are reported by the media. If we do our job right, the news reports about us become our greatest recruiting tool
Comment by Anglo saxon on October 12, 2009 at 23:38
Welcome Englishcrusader
Comment by Trevor Kelway on October 12, 2009 at 23:31
Hello Englishcrusader. Welcome.
Comment by Englishcrusader on October 12, 2009 at 23:25
greetings my fellow brothers
Comment by andy spencer on October 12, 2009 at 23:03
I am with great understanding sam with your impecable reply and yes whilst have said what I had said I do also understand you.
I know that we have to remain paitent and ensure that we conduct our cause with upmost so that we can be seen and heard by all that we are legitmate and not some right wing group that they say we have affiliation with the bnp.
I as so was many others were present on saturdays demo and whilst some of the media was playing the edl down as the bad bigots,but in retrospect to that in view of how the conduct by the uaf compared to ourselves was,yes they may have been more numbers of them than ours but it was they that had the main police presence upon there side,ours was to just enforce to let us know that they was there.
The manchester evening news reported on numerous occaisions in their two page spread tonight that whilst cost ran to approx 800 000 thousand pounds for policing they also said that it was the uaf that were charging us,it was the uaf that was goading us it was the uaf that was trying to antagonise us and not the other way round,
So yes we conducted ourselves with grace and virtue and that was supported by the hundreds of mancunions that lined the streets as we were escorted to a place of exit by the local constabulary,we have put the foot in the right directions2
Comment by andy spencer on October 12, 2009 at 22:04
What does it matter what the the media portay us as,what does it matter what the goverment funded uaf say,they can only say and do what they have already done ,can they do any worse than they already have done,just remember,they can fuck us but they cannot make us pregnant,so rember these words brothers and sisters,victoria vadum exsisto nostri
Comment by Darth Vader on October 12, 2009 at 21:20
If you read this article:

You will find the head of the British Army making statements which may be taken to imply that Muslims are violent and wish to blow us all up. This is very offensive to many people, so don't you think he should be shot?
Comment by Gaia on October 12, 2009 at 20:42
Picked up by the UK Anti-Islam blog Up Pompeii:

How much do we hate thee - let us show you the ways- UAF manifesto.

As you probably know, last Saturday there was a protest march held in Manchester by the EDL, once again the EDL were attacked by the UAF, the UAF declared that they had run the fascists out of town, the UAF are funded via the Unite union, this union is Nu Labours largest donor - thus the UAF are effectively protected by the Government .

This means that justice will not prevail for the assaulted people of the English defense league.

The UAF are aciing as the Brown shirts did, they have taken on that role and they will not be called to account for their actions, after all they are government sanctioned.

needless to say our now completely compromised Justice Minister - Mr Jack Straw will support the actions of the UAF and uberstorm Furher Lee Jasper and the clearly violent tactics they use to stop the freedom of speech and association in this country

From The Daily Mail

The two factions stood on opposite sides of Piccadilly Gardens, which was blockaded by police officers in fluorescent jackets.

A UAF protester shouted through a megaphone: 'There's many more of us than you,' and the crowd sang 'Who are you?'.

A small group of EDL protesters walked among the throng of shoppers chanting: 'We love our country.'

The sight of a Union flag angered supporters of the UAF, prompting a large number of protesters to go in search of its holder.

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The sight of the Flag of this country is enough to turn on the hate that the UAF have for anything they do not agree with, they hate our flag, therefore they hate oun nation, our way of life and most of all our freedoms, they are truly, truly fascist in every context and connotation of the word.

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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