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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

The Persecution of Tommy Robinson

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake 20 hours ago. 120 Replies

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 30. 441 Replies

Victor Davis Hanson: collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 20. 13 Replies

The Police Will Not Protect You

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 5. 1 Reply

Racist Attacks on White People

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 12. 102 Replies

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard Apr 22. 0 Replies

The Dying of Free Speech in the UK

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Antony Apr 4. 3 Replies

The EDL and the POTUS

Started by C J Bernard Mar 31. 0 Replies

Billy Bragg, the EDL and that Smile!

Started by C J Bernard Oct 10, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12, 2017. 22 Replies

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Comment by Kinana on October 12, 2009 at 13:57
Thanks Sam Smith for the link. the article says:
'EDL supporters, who oppose “radical Islam” and Sharia law made Nazi salutes ...'

did anyone who was there actually see this nazi salute(s)?

I was at the harrow mosque demo on 11 Sept and i did see several muslim types give this salute as they shouted Allah u Akbar. As i know that this expression is certainly not part of EDL Is it possible prevent such infiltration in future, if it actually did occur this time?

another story and more pics here
Comment by Kinana on October 12, 2009 at 13:33
Can anyone who was there put up a full report here?
Comment by Darren O'Connell on October 12, 2009 at 13:23
You wont find it mate, EDL were not at fault.
Comment by Darren O'Connell on October 12, 2009 at 13:19
On Dragons eye, on Thursday, there was a ten minute slot about the Welsh Defence League. They managed to find some footage of Cardiff vs Swansea fighting. This is what they hope will happen , message to all soul crew and jacks attending on Sat, dont let us down fellas, this is bigger than both of us. Try and see it on BBCi.
Comment by road runner on October 12, 2009 at 12:32
i know i said it on the forum but well done lads, proud of you all, a real big one at trafalger square would be a goodun!
Comment by Kinana on October 12, 2009 at 11:58
A friend just told me that Proaig Obrien (spelling?) was on today's (12 Oct. 09) Today prog being interviewed by John Humphreys about the EDL.

All of 5 minutes! It was on at about 7 a.m.

I have not listened yet to the prog but according to my friend Poraig said things like 'edl say they are not racists'. he also said 'edl are not against islam, per se.' In general, he (PO) was dismissive of the EDL.

Can someone put this clip here?

We can then correct any errors or wrong impressions that PO gave to his listeners. And maybe write to the BBC.
Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 3:22
After reading the FamilySecurityMatters articles, I see why the government are so worried - they think this is leading to a repeat of the Oldham riots, etc.
Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 3:19
Comment by Trevor Kelway on October 6, 2009 at 11:12
Thanks for your support people!
Comment by Kinana on September 30, 2009 at 13:34
two recent articles re EDL

comment anyone? worthy of a discussion starter?

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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