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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe 22 hours ago. 434 Replies

Billy Bragg, the EDL and that Smile!

Started by C J Bernard Oct 10, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12, 2017. 22 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton Aug 30, 2017. 0 Replies

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26, 2017. 1 Reply

Hate not Hope release another report

Started by Alan Lake Feb 21, 2017. 0 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27, 2017. 69 Replies

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Comment by Antony on March 16, 2018 at 10:12

Peak decadence, the West and the fate of empire ;

Comment by Antony on March 16, 2018 at 6:31

When dealing with a bear, hubris is suicidal ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 15, 2018 at 17:28

"Many Mohammedans speak English. But they do not think our thoughts. They worship at other shrines; profess another creed; observe a different code. They can no more be moved by Christian pacifism than wolves by the bleating of sheep. We have to deal with a people whose values are in many respects altogether different from our own."

Winston Churchill was talking here about the Japanese here but the same is true of the Muslims. (Many Japanese speak English....).

* The Mission of Japan, Collier's, 20 February 1937.

Comment by Joe on March 15, 2018 at 16:40

How many years ago was it that I began to argue that we live in post-dialogue era?

It was years ago when both Paul and I were banned from even commenting on the Daily Mail website (an arena the Left considered total filth).

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 15, 2018 at 16:27
The new leader of UKIP Gerard Batten sounds promising.
Views of multiculturalism and Islam[edit]
Batten invited the Dutch Party for Freedom leader and MEP Geert Wilders to the European Parliament in December 2008 in an unsuccessful attempt to screen Wilders' film Fitna for MEPs.[3][17] According to Batten in Freedom Today, Wilders "is a brave man trying to defend western civilisation in the face of its own loss of the most basic instinct of self-preservation".[18] When Wilders was refused entry to the UK at Heathrow in 2009, following an invitation from the UKIP peer Lord Pearson for Wilders to screen his film to members of the House of Lords,[19] Batten said: "We can't do anything about murderers, rapists and paedophiles coming from the EU but they will stop a democratically elected politician from the EU talking about the sources of terrorism".[17] In a 2010 video, Batten said that no further Mosques should be built in our cities,[20] and thought the existence of "two incompatible systems living in the same place at the same time" was a threat.[21]
In 2011, Batten circulated a draft four-page document entitled "Confidential draft – Dismantling Multiculturalism" to Christian Concern, a lobby group. He wrote: "Islamic fundamentalism is the cuckoo in the western multicultural nest. We can either address it now or be destroyed by it in the course of time". The document advocates repealing "the act of parliament that gives exception for ritual slaughter for religious reasons" and any law which "gives official recognition to Islamic banking". The Treasury told The Guardian that no UK legislation mentions any such financial service.[22] When asked about the document in 2014, Batten called it "a rough draft which I would like to publish in due course but it's not one of my priorities at the moment. You can't hold me to anything in it".[22]
Batten commissioned a document from Sam Solomon which was first published in 2006, it amounts to a proposed code of conduct including the rejection of passages in the Qur'an, which propose "violent physical Jihad", and should be considered "inapplicable, invalid and non-Islamic". Explaining why Muslims should sign up to such a document, he told The Guardian's Rowena Mason in February 2014: "Christians aren't blowing people up at the moment, are they?"[21]

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 15, 2018 at 15:29

Unfortunately Lord Pearson appears to believe that Muslims can cooperate or that Islam can be reformed.
Islam cannot be reformed. it cannot become moderate. To believe so is to be completely ignorant about the nature of Islam and about the person Mohammed. Islam is the teachings and deeds of Mohammed. Mohammed is Islam's only prophet. There is no other version of Islam, there is only Mohammed and his sayings and doings. Mohammed was a rapist, murderer and thief, and he is the perfect example that all Muslims must follow- or die. Islam is violent, oppressive and ruthless.
Pearson is completely right about how the accusation of racism has intimidated and silenced people.
The only solution to Islam is to ban it. The establishment is terrified of Islam.
Tommy and Pearson, the aristocracy and the working class, both English to the core, courageous and patriotic.
Lord Pearson is absolutely right in saying that marching and demonstrating will get us nowhere, we have to organise politically and get ourselves elected as lawmakers to Parliament.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 15, 2018 at 14:14
Comment by Antony on March 14, 2018 at 10:01

770000 can't speak English ; - looks like they would be much happier in their home countries - no need to waste any more taxpayer's money on them other than a one way plane ticket.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 13, 2018 at 14:39

If we were unfair we would blame the Muslim Mayor for everything that is wrong with London. No, wait, it is his fault.

Comment by Alan Lake on March 13, 2018 at 11:27

And so it begins.  While we argue about Transgender bathrooms and the 'inhumanity' of not letting an army of angry young men into our country, old standards slip away.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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