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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Feb 3. 432 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27. 69 Replies

The State is your Enemy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 6 Replies

Choudary, Anjem.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Aug 23, 2016. 4 Replies

The EDL and the Fascist Experts

Started by Joe. Last reply by Kinana Jul 15, 2016. 59 Replies

Dear Bishop Cocksworth

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake May 20, 2016. 4 Replies

Why have the white British left London?

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake May 17, 2016. 41 Replies

The Ideological Iceberg

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Apr 21, 2016. 45 Replies


Started by Joe. Last reply by Gaia Apr 11, 2016. 22 Replies

Dear Mr Blair - A letter from the EDL

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by paul collings Mar 29, 2016. 1 Reply

A Reply to an Open letter against the EDL

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Mar 18, 2016. 1 Reply

The LEP and the EDL

Started by C J Bernard Mar 18, 2016. 0 Replies

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Comment by andy spencer on October 12, 2009 at 22:04
What does it matter what the the media portay us as,what does it matter what the goverment funded uaf say,they can only say and do what they have already done ,can they do any worse than they already have done,just remember,they can fuck us but they cannot make us pregnant,so rember these words brothers and sisters,victoria vadum exsisto nostri
Comment by Darth Vader on October 12, 2009 at 21:20
If you read this article:

You will find the head of the British Army making statements which may be taken to imply that Muslims are violent and wish to blow us all up. This is very offensive to many people, so don't you think he should be shot?
Comment by Gaia on October 12, 2009 at 20:42
Picked up by the UK Anti-Islam blog Up Pompeii:

How much do we hate thee - let us show you the ways- UAF manifesto.

As you probably know, last Saturday there was a protest march held in Manchester by the EDL, once again the EDL were attacked by the UAF, the UAF declared that they had run the fascists out of town, the UAF are funded via the Unite union, this union is Nu Labours largest donor - thus the UAF are effectively protected by the Government .

This means that justice will not prevail for the assaulted people of the English defense league.

The UAF are aciing as the Brown shirts did, they have taken on that role and they will not be called to account for their actions, after all they are government sanctioned.

needless to say our now completely compromised Justice Minister - Mr Jack Straw will support the actions of the UAF and uberstorm Furher Lee Jasper and the clearly violent tactics they use to stop the freedom of speech and association in this country

From The Daily Mail

The two factions stood on opposite sides of Piccadilly Gardens, which was blockaded by police officers in fluorescent jackets.

A UAF protester shouted through a megaphone: 'There's many more of us than you,' and the crowd sang 'Who are you?'.

A small group of EDL protesters walked among the throng of shoppers chanting: 'We love our country.'

The sight of a Union flag angered supporters of the UAF, prompting a large number of protesters to go in search of its holder.

Read more:

The sight of the Flag of this country is enough to turn on the hate that the UAF have for anything they do not agree with, they hate our flag, therefore they hate oun nation, our way of life and most of all our freedoms, they are truly, truly fascist in every context and connotation of the word.
Comment by cimmerian on October 12, 2009 at 20:39
Excellent suggestions, Derius! They would really help short-circuit smear efforts by Al-Jabeeba and other biased media.
Comment by Darren O'Connell on October 12, 2009 at 20:37

good effort
Comment by Darren O'Connell on October 12, 2009 at 20:28
Watch "DRAGONS EYE " on bbci player, its a second half 15 minute slot where they have obscure politicians slagging off the WDL (welsh) for being racist, when the commentator said it was the muslim youths rioting he didnt wanna know. Say goodbye to "xmas", its happy holidays from now on. Its our childrens children that will suffer if this fundamentalism is not stamped out, some of these radical countries hang children from cranes (iran) and stone women to death for adultery, its ok for these odious characters to celebrate 9/11 and 7/7 but when BRITISH citizens peacefully protest against the radical islamification of this OUR COUNTRY, we are villified and branded racist. We grow stronger everyday and before long we will not be ignored and the real racists (uaf) and the truetraitors of our country will be exposed.
Comment by Gaia on October 12, 2009 at 20:21
Now the story picked up by ICLA, the International Civil Liberties Alliance:

The following is a story that we found on YouTube from the recent demonstration against Islamic extremism that took place in Manchester:

Why should this man be forced by the radical left not to be proud of the commitment that his son has shown to Great Britain? Why should he be denied the opportunity to protest about the unacceptable changes that the British Government is imposing on his country? Why should he be denied the right to have a political opinion?

It appears that the British radical left in league with Islamists and encouraged by the British political and media establishment is acting to attempt to deny basic political freedoms to those with whom they disagree.
Perhaps the British people should be consulted about the type of society in which they want to live rather than have the preferred society of a misguided elite foisted upon them against their will.
Comment by cimmerian on October 12, 2009 at 20:17
Following on from Gaia's quote from Old Holborn's blog, OH is planning a 'walk' on Parliament on Nov 5th. It's a walk because you don't need permission for a bunch of people who happen to be walking in the same direction as you do for a march or demo.

More about the planned walk here:

Would be great if people from EDL and 4freedoms were able to go along too. Only drawback - it's a thursday.
Comment by Derius on October 12, 2009 at 20:16
A very sucessful march in Manchester; well done to the organisers.

The main struggle for the EDL is actually going to be against the propaganda battle which the media and the politicians are currently waging against them. A few useful tips for future marches to deal with this might be to:

1) unfold Israeli flags when the UAF shout "Nazis". That will make them look like idiots;

2) By chanting and with banners, discredit the UAF by repeatedly referring to them as Communists and as traitors. they are indeed both;

3) Try to get more females and older people to march, to break the false stereotype about all the EDL members being football hooligans:

4) Have more banners saying "God bless our soldiers" etc. I didn't see many saying this on the video footage, though I may have missed them.

5) Many policemen are not happy with how the Government are telling them to police the Islamic community. Therefore banners such as "Protect our police from our politicians" might be useful. This will surprise the police as well! This might also actually make them less biased against the EDL than they currently are.

Anyway, good job and keep up the good work! And don't let the leftist propaganda get you down.
Comment by Anglo saxon on October 12, 2009 at 20:06
Channel 4 now The Enemy within plz watch.

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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