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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Racist Attacks on White People

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 22. 87 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12. 22 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton Aug 30. 0 Replies

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23. 0 Replies

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26. 1 Reply

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Feb 3. 432 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27. 69 Replies

The State is your Enemy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 6 Replies

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Comment by Kinana on October 6, 2011 at 9:39

for commentors of the recent discussion re social values, religion, science, and myths Alan has kindly moved and continued the discussion to here:

Comment by Pat McCrann on October 4, 2011 at 22:10

Philip you said.... I am an agnostic but I would still prefer to live in a Christian land rather than a Muslim one....

Too late.

Comment by Pat McCrann on October 4, 2011 at 22:00

This little theory about befuddled Christians having a tendency to be 'paws up' towards Islam doesn't quite fit the facts. I'm thinking for example evangelical Americans.

Those poor befuddled Christians who believe in gun laws and self defence self determination and all that right wing extremist sort of stuff.....

Comment by Heather Gilbert on October 3, 2011 at 21:22

I've heard it rumoured that Rowan Williams is retiring, but can't recall where I read this now?

Comment by Pat McCrann on October 3, 2011 at 18:50
That's very interesting Tom and that's why some of those small congregations have escaped the Marxist corruption. The mainstream churches are radical leftists and Rowan Williams is not a one off.
Comment by Tom Hough on October 3, 2011 at 15:51
During the red hunt of the late 1950s and early 60s the FBI found an ally in a black woman in Cleveland that had become dissillusioned with communism. She went to work as a confidential informant and testified before the house committee on unAmerican activities. In her book "I Testify" she stated that the communist party were sending people to every semenary. The results of that effort are now showing up in the various denominations. Here we have denominations that are highly centralized and denominations that are home ruled. While there are communist in the Baptist denomination they have little effect because their corruptive effect can only be felt in the congregation in which they belong and that is only if the others in the congregation allow themselves to be corrupted. In the United Methodist, Episcapalian, Roman Catholic, Lutherans, and Presbreterian denominations there are communist in positions of leadership that are calling the shots. But here they still have limited power because a methodist can leave the United Methodist and go to the Congregational Methodist, Church of the Nazarine, or numerous other Weslayan denominations. Episcapalians can go to the Anglican Catholic, Presbreterians can go to the Cumberland Presbreterians, etc so the denominations here in the US can only be corrupted to the point that the people allow them to be corrupted. The Arch Bishop of Canterbury seems to me to be a wolf in sheeps clothing and until the parisioners rebel the Anglican church will have a destructive rather than constructive effect on the UK.
Comment by Alan Lake on October 3, 2011 at 13:56

I have to agree with Heather, on personal anecdotal evidence which is all I've got.  American Christians are out there and you can count on them as allies.  

European Christians are disappointing in their response and willingness to get involved and 'make a difference'.  There are exceptions of course, but until UK Christians at least start to do something about their nominal leader and spokesperson, (I don't care if you don't feel he's your leader), the Archbishop of Canterbury, I can't have faith in them.

Comment by Heather Gilbert on October 2, 2011 at 20:06

Just based on my personal experience of British Christians, I have to agree with Graham. Most are not politically involved and have a distorted view of 'turning the other cheek'.  I find American Christians to be way more politically aware. 

To suggest that irreligious people are prey to brainwashing by the state is absurd. Again you choose to insult atheists and agnostics as having no morals Pat. It is this sort of supremacy which really pisses me off.  Fortunately, some Christians have risen above this.  I have yet to meet a religious muslim who has though.

Comment by Jack Rainbow on October 2, 2011 at 15:00


Thanks for that interesting news. The police are not very bright generally speaking, with a very few exceptions. We don't know and probably will never know the truth.

Comment by Albert Case on October 1, 2011 at 12:01

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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