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Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard Apr 22. 0 Replies

The Dying of Free Speech in the UK

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Antony Apr 4. 3 Replies

The EDL and the POTUS

Started by C J Bernard Mar 31. 0 Replies

Billy Bragg, the EDL and that Smile!

Started by C J Bernard Oct 10, 2017. 0 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12, 2017. 22 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton Aug 30, 2017. 0 Replies

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23, 2017. 0 Replies

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Comment by Tom Hough on December 8, 2010 at 22:31
Pat, Louisianans live and breathe politics. The majority of us us that decsend from pioneer families have aboriginal American bloodlines. The state was settled by maritime pirates, river pirates, highwaymen, and ingenious land swindlers like Jim Bowie. Politics for us is adversarial in nature and is a battle between scam artist and folks that just basically want to be left alone. Treasuries are seen by too many of us as something to pilfer and loot. When we engage in political analysis it is from a position of distrust and skepticism.
Comment by Pat McCrann on December 8, 2010 at 21:31
Thanks for that Tom. Good answer. Americans are very smart when it comes to politics.
Comment by Tom Hough on December 8, 2010 at 20:21
Zerach I believe you are right about the attacks being on transportation and I think there will be a shift from airplanes to airport terminals. The way things are handled now the TSA has folks grouped together for inspection. All a suicide underwear bomber needs is a squeeze type detonator to have a TSA screener detonate the bomb that kills himself and many of the people standing in line to undergo the screening process.
Comment by Tom Hough on December 8, 2010 at 20:05
Krouthammer has fallen for the deception the socialist wanted to acheive and that is that there is a difference.between socialism and progressivism. Socialism can be advanced under the name of progressivism and folks like Hillery can talk about what a wonderfully American thing it is. Socialist have discovered that communism was a failure so they are trying to correct it by decentralizing the economic decision making process by granting monopolistic or oligopolistic power to a select few industrialist/capitalist. This is the plan for a global government. I call this International socialism or Internazism. The difference between nazism and internazism is that in nazism the monopoly on control and oppression was granted to a national/racial group while with internazism it is granted to anyone passing a high standard of political indoctrination.
Comment by Pat McCrann on December 8, 2010 at 13:22
The bit I don't quite understand is...

"Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution."

How is that not socialist, esp. concerning control of industry.
Comment by Pat McCrann on December 8, 2010 at 12:55
This is very insightful I think. thanks Udi. There are a few things in there worth discussing a bit, but for now, I thought this was very apt...

"...His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America , as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors...... This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!
7. He is now handing out goodies.

This is what politicians do now. They buy people. They're like thugs who've taken over a neighbourhood, saying, 'Give me your money and I'll take fix everything' and then wrecking the place so you keep on having to pay them to fix it up. They're doing the giving out goodies thing in Peterborough now. Peace & harmony' initiatives & the graet thing is it will soak up a few public sector employees faced with the cuts (that have now been abandoned) in order to control us more carefully.

But the top quote, above, is an important thing we have to understand about the socialist/progressive mindset: These people really do want to destroy our society, our way of life, our freedom and they are nearly there. That's why I say they're nervous and the time is now. To really see this mindset - and it's a bit of a coincidence that I read this yesterday - see an exchange between Paul Weston on his blog with someone called 'anonymous' in the blog post 'The ethnic cleansing of England'. This person actually believes that we should annihilate ourselves for our so called past wrongs. This is the mindset. This is how socialists/progressives ('liberals'... that's a good one. They keep having to change their names though whenever they've finished killing a few million) find excuses for their knee jerk pathological hatred of their own identity, and us. And this self annihilation is actually where they're leading us.

It's well worth reading the whole exchange, particularly Paul's faultless responses.
Comment by Udi Shayat on December 8, 2010 at 12:12
Following is Dr. Krauthammer comments on Obama:
Dr. Krauthammer is an M.D. and a lawyer and he spoke to 25 others in a closed room. What he says here, is NOT 2nd-hand but 1st.
The ramifications are staggering for us, our children and their children.

Summary of his comments:

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask. The taking down of the Clinton dynasty was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.
2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton . He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!
3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including dismantling capitalism He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along. He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment to the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada .
4. His three main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, and NATIONAL HEALTHCARE by the Federal government. He doesn't care about the auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap and trade will add costs to everything and stifle growth. Paying for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is his healthcare program, because if you make it FREE and add 46,000,000 people to a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go through the roof. The only way to control costs is with massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada. God forbid!
5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial, banking and other industries. This obviously can't work in the long run. Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does, not what he says.
6. Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world.. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their agendas.He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America , as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors.

This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!
7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is reelected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Dr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.
8.. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. Republicans are pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future... We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state's rights.
9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don't have.. This could lead to hyperinflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity. The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bailouts didn't work, nor will the stimulus package.These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama's allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.
10. The election was over in mid-September when Lehman brothers failed, fear and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally.Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.
11. In 2012, if the unemployment rate is over 10%, Republicans will be swept back into power. If it's under 8%, the Dems continue to roll. If it's between 8-10%, it will be a dogfight. It will all be about the economy. I hope this gets you really thinking about what's happening in Washington and Congress. There is a left-wing revolution going on, according to Krauthammer, and he encourages us to keep the faith and join the loyal resistance. The work will be hard, but we're right on most issues and can reclaim our country, before it's far too late.

Do yourself a long term favor, send this to all who will listen to an intelligent assessment of the big picture. All our futures and children's futures depend on our good understanding of what is really going on in DC, and our action pursuant to that understanding!! It really IS up to each of us to take individual action!! Start with educating your friends and neighbors!!!

The whole message is here:
Comment by Pat McCrann on December 8, 2010 at 10:25
I've forwarded this to a well known Jewish columnist.
Comment by Zev Braun on December 8, 2010 at 4:03
This is as good as Wikileaks.


We received a very disturbing information - we heard it from a consultant to the United States who meets once a month with the President in the White house. He is in the know. This is what actually has happened with the relationship with Israel and the USA and it is not pretty:

1. Israel during the Bush and Clinton Administrations - had
landing rights in Turkey, and in the USA bases in the middle east and more recently under George Bush, in Iraq. This was in case they were invaded by Iran, or Saudi or any other Arab country. Obama has withdrawn those landing rights. Israel now has nowhere to refuel in the middle east.

2. Netanyahu was instructed to come to the white house for a meeting. He was brought in through a servants entrance - the only head of state ever in US history to be given that disgraceful treatment. He was not offered even a cup of tea - but was lectured to by Obama who told him that he is not permitted to attack Iran and that he has to withdraw all forces from the West bank and may not build any more settlements ( neighborhoods) in East Jerusalem.

3. Israel found out that there were four terrorists meeting in Dubai. As they have done for the past 62 years, they informed the US of that and said that these terrorists had to be dealt with. Obama said under no circumstances. Israel decided to go ahead. They killed the one terrorist who showed up. However the CIA was sent there to film the entire event by Obama - and then a concerted PR campaign was waged by the White house to discredit Israel and what they did - this kind of action has taken place with US support for the past 62 years since we have common enemies.

4. Obama has refused to oppose Syria's re arming of Hezbollah and
Hamas - Israel now sits in imminent danger from the amounts of missiles that can be sent into her territory.

5. Israel will never tell the US again of its plans - since they
cannot trust us.

6. Israel intends to attack Iran -there are over 30 installations
of which 4 have underground bunkers that contain nuclear weapons.
Israel cannot wait any longer. The US is no longer supporting Israel's self defense.

7. This is the same man that gave the White House a full file on
the 9.11 attack - his warnings and proof were laughed at.

8. He believes that the next attacks in the USA will be mass
transportation - subways and malls - especially the largest malls where the most people can be killed - and that Vegas and wherever there are conventions of employees will be a huge target. We are not prepared and are naive in our lack thereof.

9. Once Israel attacks Iran, every Jew and Jewish institution
will be at risk - temples, religious schools etc. We must be prepared.

10. This kept a room of 200 people spellbound. It is not fiction. It
is fact.

What can be done?
It is essential that everyone who doesn't know yet, now understands that the protection and survival of Israel is not on Obama's list - and he is now taking ACTUAL steps to move all protections away - no more landing rights, negotiating with Iran and Syria, making nice to the Muslim World in the face of allies of long standing and he is no friend of the Jewish people and Israel

Comment by Kinana on December 6, 2010 at 0:28
But Islam can take what is given by secular society and demand more and more! Thought TV is putting on a wide range of opinions. I saw one where the speaker, a Muslim, promoted Sharia as the real solution to crime in the UK. I wonder how we can get on there ourselves. Go for Adrian?!

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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