The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation

Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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Key Info

Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23. 0 Replies

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26. 1 Reply

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Feb 3. 432 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27. 69 Replies

The State is your Enemy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 6 Replies

Choudary, Anjem.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Aug 23, 2016. 4 Replies

The EDL and the Fascist Experts

Started by Joe. Last reply by Kinana Jul 15, 2016. 59 Replies

Dear Bishop Cocksworth

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake May 20, 2016. 4 Replies

Why have the white British left London?

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake May 17, 2016. 41 Replies

Gates of Vienna

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Comment by Hel on November 2, 2009 at 18:49
Found this on the net, they don't have a very high opinion of EDL
Comment by Kinana on November 1, 2009 at 16:22
To EDL: Can the speeches given at Leeds be posted here? a discussion starter for each one would be good. thanks
Comment by cimmerian on November 1, 2009 at 15:53
Comment by road runner on November 1, 2009 at 15:16
that peter tatchell is a professional protester, good to have in on the same side and as those ladies with the very silly messages, that is just the right attitude to take, laugh at them and mock them for they really are very silly people, a bunch of whallies thats for sure lol
Comment by cimmerian on November 1, 2009 at 12:13
Report on Leeds and Piccadilly Circus in the Mail on Sunday.
Comment by Gaia on November 1, 2009 at 11:48
I was in Piccadilly Circus - about 300 people from different groups + assorted press. March for England, ICLA International Civil Liberties Alliance, EDL, St George's Division, S.I..O..E., British Muslims for Secular Democracy, Jews, Iranians and 2 or 3 muslims arguing the toss. Douglas Murray made a brief appearance. Nick Cohen and Peter Thatchell were there. Low police presence and an amicable occasion.
Comment by Gaia on November 1, 2009 at 9:29
Looking forward to hearing reports from Leeds
Comment by NorthEast EDL on November 1, 2009 at 9:21
1,000 EDL, about 50 UAF/SWP
Comment by road runner on October 31, 2009 at 16:27
for you lads who are a bit sharp with photoshop is there any chance that you could cunjour up a swastica using islamic minorets.
Comment by Trevor Kelway on October 30, 2009 at 22:12
Choudary has cancelled his march in London tomorrow. See news feed.

Members (243)


Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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