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Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

The Persecution of Tommy Robinson

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana on Saturday. 126 Replies

Telford Grooming Gangs: Why?

Started by Kinana on Friday. 0 Replies

Victor Davis Hanson: collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake on Friday. 16 Replies

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Dec 28, 2018. 457 Replies

Why have the white British left London?

Started by Joe. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Dec 4, 2018. 44 Replies

Racist Attacks on White People

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Nov 11, 2018. 103 Replies

The Insanity of Hate Crime Law in the UK

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Aug 21, 2018. 1 Reply

The Persecution of Jonaya English

Started by Alan Lake Aug 20, 2018. 0 Replies

The Police Will Not Protect You

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 5, 2018. 1 Reply

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard Apr 22, 2018. 0 Replies

Conservative Speakers banned from the UK

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Apr 22, 2018. 7 Replies

The Dying of Free Speech in the UK

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Antony Apr 4, 2018. 3 Replies

The EDL and the POTUS

Started by C J Bernard Mar 31, 2018. 0 Replies

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Comment by Joe on December 19, 2018 at 7:33

They are going on about the huge delays at ports should actual BrEXIT occur.

I think it was in the docuementary Thatcher the Revolutionary where they showed that it was Thatcher whose push to make the EU more about trade which resulted in the end of queues at borders inside the EEC.  That is, for 30 to 40 years of the EEC's existence, transport between members was always held up at the ports.  The EEC saw nothing wrong with this.  It was their way of ensuring that no country was sneaking into the EEC goods from outside on which the EEC had place huge tariffs (remember: when Trump puts up tariffs it's bad, when the EU has tariffs it is good).

If it hadn't been for Thatcher, the PM hated by the Left (including the Leftist Tories who want to remain in the EU), then the delays for trucks going into Europe post-Brexit would have been nothing new.  

Comment by Alan Lake on December 18, 2018 at 23:38

Interesting, and its good that someone is reminding us of all the negatives which have been overlooked and buried. It would have been better if the writer had made it half the size by missing out some of the more wild predictions, and instead added footnotes giving the actual source of the fact. 

For example, as far as a google tells me, the Lisbon treaty's removal of the veto from  key countries, was blocked by David Cameron. So a footnote pointing to a document and section number with this new threat would be very helpful.

I know very little about the EU issue, and I don't relly want to invest time learning more. I just want out.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 18, 2018 at 17:32

Tony, People forget that Britain got along just fine for hundreds of years before it joined the EU. A United States of Europe sounds fine in theory, but will not work practically because Europe is composed of unique nation states. The United States of America has (or had) a single language and culture because the English Language and culture dominated all of the others.

Comment by Tony Ashworth on December 18, 2018 at 17:07

2 of 2:

The Probable worst-case outcomes

A. The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state.

B. With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum level ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum.

i. Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression. 
ii. More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000).
iii. House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%.
iv. Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double.
v. The NHS will become solely an emergency care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.
vi. GP surgery’s will become merely triage centres.
vii. Public transport will become permit holders use only.
viii. Only those that committing serious crimes namely murder will be given a custodial sentences.
ix. The Court system becomes overrun to the point of extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine.
x. Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things.
xi. Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it.
xii. Homelessness to increase massively (28% annually).
xiii. Unemployment to increase massively (37% annually)
xiv. The Benefit system collapses to the point of a return to soup kitchens and even workhouse existence.
xv. Crime to increase by over (59% annually).
xvi. Shanty towns become the norm standard of housing.

C. Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%.

D. Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights, it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue.

E. Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties or everything else, would remain at 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is only 3.57% total despite being one of only a few net contributors.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, if we remain a member of the EU.

Everything is verifiable by the sources I have already outlined above and more importantly, is something the EU propaganda machine and own government do not want you to know.

Remainers keep on bleating about that the people didn’t know all of the facts and that might well be the case. But, why are they failing to tell the people about the downsides of remaining a member of the EU.

What we need to ask is:

1. Why would they not tell us? 
2. What is the ulterior motive here? 
3. Why aren't Brexit supporting MPs telling us the truth?
4. Why are the media outlets not singing like canaries? 
5. Most importantly, why would the government of a sovereign nation be prepared to sign away the rights to self government? 
6. What are they being offered in return?
7. What can we do about it?

They say a ‘No Deal’ is pitted with risks, well, if you think the future looks bleak outside the EU, make your own mind up, how much worse might it be if we stay!

Short term discomfort over-rides long term pain any day!


Comment by Tony Ashworth on December 18, 2018 at 17:06

1 of 2:

Been sent this off a friend today. Not sure of the validity of some of the points but he has assured me it can all be verified from government websites -

If you think the future looks scary outside the EU, look how scary it might be inside!

Having been fed the worst case scenario for leaving the EU given to us by numerous ‘Remain’ outlets ranging from the Bank of England to the spoiled prepubescent acting momentum supporter and everyone in-between. This is the worst-case scenario of remaining in the EU based on known factors, all sourced from the public records of the UK Government, the EU Parliament, The Bank of England, the CBI, Migration watch, The stock exchanges around the world, the IMF and the UN.

Everything has and can be fully researched and cross referenced.

Remember this is worst-case scenario unless clearly pointed out where it will happen by either a date or another factor.

These outcomes are as follows:

1. The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.

2. All member nations will become member states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon Treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.

3. All member states must adopt the 'Euro' by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.

4. The London Stock Exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU Stock Exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000+ jobs in the UK because of the relocation.

This has already been pre-agreed and is being held in a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member state, it’s full steam ahead.

5. The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.

6. The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Parliament we have today.

7. The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.

8. The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.

9. The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.

10. The UK loses control of its fishing rights.

11. The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights.

12. The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon Treaty.

13. The UK loses control of its planning legislation.

14. The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent.

15. The UK loses full control of its taxation policy.

16. The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them.

17. The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth.

18. The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated territories e.g.; The Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc.

19. The UK loses control of its judicial system.

20. The UK loses control of its international policy.

21. The UK loses full control of its national policy.

22. The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.

23. The UK loses control of its space exploration program.

24. The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction.

25. The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty.

26. The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 10, 2018 at 18:34
Comment by Antony on December 10, 2018 at 16:40
Comment by Alan Lake on December 8, 2018 at 23:33

98-year-old WW2 hero dies after senseless attack in his own home

Joe RobertsSaturday 1 Dec 2018 2:18 pm Share this article via facebookShare this article via twitterShare this article via messenger 22.4k SHARES A 98-year-old war veteran has died in hospital nearly four weeks after a violent robber broke into his home and attacked him. Peter Gouldstone was left with ‘extremely severe injuries’ after suffering two bleeds on the brain. His son Simon Gouldstone, 67, found him in a ‘semi-conscious state’ in his bedroom of his house after the back door was broken in. Peter Gouldstone, 98, was left with ‘extremely severe injuries’ after the attack (Picture: SWNS) Peter Gouldstone was a veteran from the Second World War (Picture: Metropolitan Police) The Met has just confirmed the Second World War veteran has died from his injuries in hospital. Simon was alerted to the attack by a neighbour in Evesham Road, Enfield, north London, and later told reporters: ‘I smelt a rat because the house was very cold, he was in amongst quite a lot of turmoil. ‘He couldn’t communicate, he had bruising on his arms and face. ‘I don’t know how they can live with themselves. Examine your consciences. The sooner they’re locked up the better.’ Police guarded his home while investigations took place at the house (Picture: SWNS) The independent charity Crimestoppers is paying out £10,000 for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the thugs responsible. DI Paul Ridley said: ‘We are all shocked and saddened by the news of Peter’s death. It is the worst news for his family and for all those who cared for and knew him. ‘I urge anyone who has information, no matter how small a detail, to search their conscience and contact police without delay. MORE: UK Chelsea and Met Police to investigate claims of racist abuse against Raheem Sterling Man, 47, arrested after 'attempting to kidnap six-year-old girl from Christmas fair' O2 customers hit out at 'insulting' compensation offer after data outage ‘I particularly want to hear from people that may have been offered the Panasonic television that was stolen, or who saw either people or vehicles in the vicinity of Evesham Road, Enfield, that may have appeared out of place. ‘A Crimestoppers reward of £10,000 remains on offer for anyone who can provide information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for this despicable offence.’ Simon said his father, who lived at the house for more than 50 years, was a former telephone engineer who worked for the Post Office before retiring in the early 1980s. Pio Gomes, 78, said Mr Gouldstone was rarely seen outside since his wife died (Picture: SWNS) His wife of 65 years Joan died several years ago and the couple also had a daughter, he added. ‘As a member of the family I’m shocked, as a member of the human race I’m lost for words at man’s inhumanity to man I’m afraid,’ Simon said. Several elderly neighbours spoke of their shock and concern following the incident. Pio Gomes, 78, said Mr Gouldstone was rarely seen outside since his wife died. Several elderly neighbours spoke of their shock and concern following the incident (Picture: SWNS) He said: ‘After that he wouldn’t come out much, I used to take his bins out for him because he wasn’t steady. ‘His son Simon used to come round and take him out, take him shopping. ‘Of course it affects you because it’s worrying. It’s callous, who could have done this to an old man like him?’ A black Panasonic 26in TV was stolen from the house along ‘with a number of other items’, police said. The attack took place in a 20-hour window between 2pm on November 5 and when he was discovered, but officers believe it was most likely under cover of darkness.

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Comment by Kinana on December 3, 2018 at 14:03
Comment by Joe on December 3, 2018 at 13:12

Here's the legal advice on the EU Withdrawal Agreement which unelected PM May has refused to publish.

It seems that Tory Party members are refusing to go house to house delivering the leaflet May wants to use to pressure them to get their MP to support her appeasement of the EU.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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