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Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

Search Site: http://4freedoms.ning.com/main/search/search?q=Zuk
Members: 243
Latest Activity: 16 hours ago

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Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

https://englishdefenceleague-forum.com/forum/
https://www.facebook.com/EnglishDefenceLeagueOFFICIAL/?fref=nf https://twitter.com/EDLofficialpage

http://englishdefenceleague.tumblr.com/

http://edlbackup.com/

www.christianlegalcentre.com

http://www.libertiesalliance.org

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook
http://www.strategicdialogue.org
http://warband.wordpress.com

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Racist Attacks on White People

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 22. 87 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Sep 12. 22 Replies

Misanthrope

Started by Philip Smeeton Aug 30. 0 Replies

Free Speech Under Attack Again

Started by C J Bernard Apr 23. 0 Replies

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 26. 1 Reply

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Feb 3. 432 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27. 69 Replies

The State is your Enemy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 6 Replies

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Comment by Scottish Lionheart on October 12, 2009 at 15:29
Perhaps there needs to be some sort of official membership so that we can determine true members as we dont condone Nazi salutes and we must make sure that we dont get infiltrated by UAF and the likes?
Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 14:28
The Welsh Defence League video is in the #Videos forum, just above this wall!
Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 14:27
1. I put some article links in the Press Room as well
2. There's a photo of an EDL guy giving a Nazi salute TO THE POLICE, ie saying they are behaving like fascists. But we need to get the message out that that doesn't work! Best to just never do any of those salutes, not even to the Nazi UAF.
3. I agree, we really need to know what the numbers of arrests are on each side. Need to assign somebody the job of counting 'our' arrests, so that we can subtract it from the police total and get the breakdown, because its not their job to keep that info.
Comment by Kinana on October 12, 2009 at 14:09
This comment from the police is great!

'Assistant Chief Constable Garry Shewan said: “I would like to thank all those people who came to Manchester today and protested peacefully for their patience and understanding.'

This reflects the statement by the EDL itself as per their website. There is more work to be done for sure but this is a good step in the right direction on the part of the police, though I have also heard that at times their behaviour toward the EDL participants were very not fair at all.

on another point about 10 Oct. In the two articles I have read the number of arrests are mentioned but no clue as to who/which side the arrestees were on. Any help here?
Comment by Kinana on October 12, 2009 at 13:57
Thanks Sam Smith for the link. the article says:
'EDL supporters, who oppose “radical Islam” and Sharia law made Nazi salutes ...'

did anyone who was there actually see this nazi salute(s)?

I was at the harrow mosque demo on 11 Sept and i did see several muslim types give this salute as they shouted Allah u Akbar. As i know that this expression is certainly not part of EDL Is it possible prevent such infiltration in future, if it actually did occur this time?

another story and more pics here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219446/Hundreds-protesters...
Comment by Kinana on October 12, 2009 at 13:33
Can anyone who was there put up a full report here?
thanks
Comment by Darren O'Connell on October 12, 2009 at 13:23
You wont find it mate, EDL were not at fault.
Comment by Darren O'Connell on October 12, 2009 at 13:19
On Dragons eye, on Thursday, there was a ten minute slot about the Welsh Defence League. They managed to find some footage of Cardiff vs Swansea fighting. This is what they hope will happen , message to all soul crew and jacks attending on Sat, dont let us down fellas, this is bigger than both of us. Try and see it on BBCi.
Comment by road runner on October 12, 2009 at 12:32
i know i said it on the forum but well done lads, proud of you all, a real big one at trafalger square would be a goodun!
Comment by Kinana on October 12, 2009 at 11:58
A friend just told me that Proaig Obrien (spelling?) was on today's (12 Oct. 09) Today prog being interviewed by John Humphreys about the EDL.

All of 5 minutes! It was on at about 7 a.m.

I have not listened yet to the prog but according to my friend Poraig said things like 'edl say they are not racists'. he also said 'edl are not against islam, per se.' In general, he (PO) was dismissive of the EDL.

Can someone put this clip here?

We can then correct any errors or wrong impressions that PO gave to his listeners. And maybe write to the BBC.
 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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