The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation

Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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Members: 243
Latest Activity: 7 hours ago

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Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Islam: The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake yesterday. 1 Reply

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Feb 3. 432 Replies

Is this the end of EDL

Started by Arthur. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 27. 69 Replies

The State is your Enemy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 13, 2016. 6 Replies

Choudary, Anjem.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Aug 23, 2016. 4 Replies

The EDL and the Fascist Experts

Started by Joe. Last reply by Kinana Jul 15, 2016. 59 Replies

Dear Bishop Cocksworth

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake May 20, 2016. 4 Replies

Why have the white British left London?

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake May 17, 2016. 41 Replies

The Ideological Iceberg

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Apr 21, 2016. 45 Replies


Started by Joe. Last reply by Gaia Apr 11, 2016. 22 Replies

Dear Mr Blair - A letter from the EDL

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by paul collings Mar 29, 2016. 1 Reply

A Reply to an Open letter against the EDL

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Mar 18, 2016. 1 Reply

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Comment by Antony 7 hours ago
Comment by Philip Smeeton 13 hours ago

Those that excuse Islam think that as long as they continue to believe that Islam is “The Religion of Peace” they will not have to tackle the Muslim problem. The Muslims are an increasing problem, but to recognise that would be a hate-crime and racism. The only solution is to deport Muslims, but that would be discrimination and racism. So we must continue to say that the majority of Muslims are innocent and that only a tiny minority are terrorists, even though this is a lie. We are separating muslims from Islam, but the Muslims are Islam, with all of its violence, discrimination and hate. We would rather sacrifice ourselves, our history, heritage and culture than be seen to be immoral. We betray our own in favor of strangers that despise us.

Comment by Antony 14 hours ago

Johnny Rotton praises Brexit,Trump & Farage ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton 19 hours ago

FGM is not our problem and never has been. It should be deported along with its adherents.

Comment by Philip Smeeton 19 hours ago

"They're terrorists who've hijacked a religion for nefarious gain". (they are so eloquent in their moral condemnation of anyone that dares to blame the beliefs of Muslims for the terror).

Atrocities are carried out by Muslims and they say they do it in the name of Allah, that is a fact. Are these islamic expert scholars that promote revengeful violence misinterpreting Islam?

I hear this excusing Islam again and again and again, and I know it to be an untruth.

So why do so many influential people continue to excuse, and thereby support, Islam? I can find no satisfactory explanation for this phenomenon.

Bush defended Islam after 9/11 and Obama has praised islamic culture. Thousands of opinion-shapers reiterate this falsehood, have been doing since islamist terrorist attacks began in our homelands and will continue to do so.

Voices exposing the true violent and discriminating nature of Islam, the beliefs that all Muslims share, go unheard. 

Am I wrong, is Islamic terror not caused by the teachings of Mohammed?

Comment by Alan Lake yesterday
Piers morgan: "These murderers aren't refugees.
Nor are they real Muslims.
They're terrorists who've hijacked a religion for nefarious gain."

David Burge @iowahawkblog
.@piersmorgan ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a PhD in Islamic theology from Islamic U of Baghdad. What are your credentials?

I’ll adapt Iowahawk’s remark to the current situation, thus: Sadiq Khan has a law degree from a British university, ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a Ph.D. in Islamic theology from the Islamic University of Baghdad. In the matter of what is true Islam, which one should we believe?
Comment by Alan Lake yesterday
Yes, and ii imagine that FGM will be legalised soon in the UK. After all, we arent enforcing that law, so it only causes a lot of upset and 'offence' to some of the more 'sensitive' members of our community, for no benefit.

After that, wjo knows? Once Muslims are the majority party in a few decades, maybe it will even be made mandatory. Perhaps the reason Feminists are supporting this trend is that they object to having a penis like structure on their bodies, so want the cliteris cut off? I'm not supporting either side here, I'm just a poor hapless citizen, trying to make sense of what is going on.
Comment by Danny Jeffrey yesterday

Philip, I would tread very carefully in claiming to be a female of the master race; forever aware of the specter of FGM...

Comment by Antony yesterday

Westminster - we are not afraid we are terrified ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton yesterday

Immigrants that become criminals and terrorists. Instead of having a chip on their shoulders and becoming consumed with hatred they should just do the sensible thing and move to Africa or a Muslim country. Racism and discrimination are natural mechanisms that defend the group. We all prefer our own kind, to pretend otherwise results in this horrific modern reality, rife with crime, terrorism and ethnic conflict. We have to be honest about racial differences and not continue to pretend that they somehow do not matter.


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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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