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Women Victims

To protect women and society from abuse which is ideologically authorised, i.e. Honor Killings, Forced Marriage, Bigamy, Legal Sub-status, and Face Covering

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Femen - Collected Articles

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UK Taxi Rapes

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BBC report on FGM

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 24, 2014. 12 Replies

One Law for All - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe May 10, 2014. 6 Replies

Gulnaz: the Afghan woman forced to marry her rapist

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Apr 19, 2014. 1 Reply

Honour Killings - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe Mar 21, 2014. 2 Replies

The Result of Egypt's "Revolution" For Women

Started by Paul Austin Murphy Nov 18, 2013. 0 Replies

Niqab-wearing Muslim waves Union Flag shock!

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Antony Oct 1, 2013. 13 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 8, 2015 at 12:14

Ten worst countries to be a woman in; Chad, Afghanistan, Congo, Sudan, Guatemala, Mali, Somalia, India, Pakistan, Iraq.

Based on rapes and abuse, rights and discrimination.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 26, 2015 at 14:32

White Girl

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 26, 2015 at 9:59
Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 16, 2015 at 13:53

And hundreds of sex slaves in Rotherham and elsewhere.

Ask an imam what gender equality and human rights are, and if slavery is acceptable.

Comment by Antony on April 16, 2015 at 8:36
Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 2, 2015 at 11:20
Comment by Alan Lake on March 27, 2015 at 11:12

If all this was taking place in a vacuum, then what you say would apply.

But this is taking place in a legal framework that now clearly discriminates against women.  Polygamy is alive and well in the UK, but Polyandry is non existent.  The woman has been objectified to being an assett acquired, as it was thousands of years ago, yet we hear nothing from the feminists.  Germain Greer and her like, are cheap, cowardly frauds.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 26, 2015 at 8:30

"What a bunch of cowardly shits." Amen.

Actually marriage has no meaning for me. Those that will, can sign formal legally binding partnership contracts. I have two children and have never been married. I was required to sign a form (voluntarily?) acknowledging fathership. I assume to give me parental rights. here people living together that declare themselves to be "samboer" have the same legal rights as those that are formally married.  A marriage contract, I assume is to do with parentage, property rights, and economic responsibility? I haven't thought about it much, just been a father and paid my due.

So how many contracts individuals make with each other is up to them. Financial responsibility is the key issue, then taking responsibility for any offspring, and taking financial responsibility for the number of spouses (male or female) that you formally contract to support emotionally and financially. Let the religious debate marriage. My concern is taking emotional and economic responsibility for near relationships such as family, (blood-related or adopted).

What the lawyers and feminists should be concerned about is abuse. Physical, sexual, emotional and financial abuse.

An unemployed man with three wives and twenty-one children -sounds very expensive to the tax-payer.

Comment by Alan Lake on March 25, 2015 at 15:06

I stumbled on these gems of loss of women's rights - but don't expect the dumb feminists to be agitating over them anytime soon.  Nope, instead you'll see them at the barricades defending the hijab and burqa, because it "empowers" the Muslim woman and validates her cultural identity. What a bunch of cowardly shits.

Does England recognise my polygamous marriage?

It may do, presuming it occurred outside the United Kingdom and dependent upon a number of factors.­ The wedding must have been in accordance with the formalities of local law.­ If it is an actual polygamous marriage (not a potentially polygamous marriage which is one where one spouse may later take another spouse), neither can have been domiciled in England at the time of the marriage.­ English public policy is to recognise genuine polygamous marriages entered into abroad in a country which permits polygamy.­ There are technical rules on recognition.­ Bigamy, even accepted by the other spouse, is not polygamy.

Predictably, the welfare benefit agencies quickly acknowledge polygamous marriages if it means they can pass on responsibility for support to a spouse.­ There can be complicated issues of succession and legitimacy.­ Specialist advice is essential.­ Nationality and tax rules generally apply as to a monogamous marriage.

Yes, but that passing on responsibility of support only applies if the husband is working.  If he's already on benefits, the extra wives just become another burden on the state, i.e. the rest of the hard working monogamous population.  Trust a lawyer to totally overlook that crucial difference.

Can I divorce my husband, in a polygamous marriage, if he takes another wife?

No.­ However if the marriage was not actually polygamous at the date of the wedding ceremony, and only potentially polygamous according to the law of the country where you were married, and your husband had agreed not to take another wife, then it might be possible to divorce on the basis of an unreasonable behaviour petition.

Comment by Antony on March 22, 2015 at 6:37

Islamic invasion of Sweden has led to rape crisis ;


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Mission Overview

Most prosperous Western societies are based on a model we call the Secular Democratic Marketplace (SDM). Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the principal agents exploiting these defects, is Islam. Therefore, this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks; nor to read them; nor even to record them. So 4F gives only a brief overview of how far it has advanced and by what methods.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow Muslims the possibility of escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close the 4 vulnerabilities in the standard model of SDM, by making them Self-Protecting (SP) according to Hobbes's first law of nature.
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Religion
Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)
4. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed only if it can be shown not to favour any political party

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