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To protect women and society from abuse which is ideologically authorised, i.e. Honor Killings, Forced Marriage, Bigamy, Legal Sub-status, and Face Covering

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Femen - Collected Articles

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony yesterday. 96 Replies

Burqa Deceit and Abuse - a Compilation

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 26. 18 Replies

Umm Qirfah

Started by shiva Oct 7, 2012. 0 Replies

'Honour' crime in Montreal

Started by Kinana Sep 30, 2012. 0 Replies

BBC report on FGM

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jul 27, 2012. 6 Replies

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Comment by Antony 26 minutes ago
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Comment by Antony on May 17, 2013 at 7:07
Comment by Antony on May 15, 2013 at 8:32

I'll classify this under victims, as feminists really do take wallowing in victimhood to the nth degree ; apparantly there is a revival of feminism and they're demonstrating against page 3 ; http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2013/may/14/feminism-slutwal... - much more important, of course, to stop women's independent livelihoods and people's enjoyment of the female form than it is to stop female genital mutilation, muslim & yardie pimping,rape & pedophilia, and honour killings of course.

Comment by Joe on May 14, 2013 at 12:36

Re Alicia Gail (or the 3 British men recently tortured and given 4 years in prison for consumption of drugs in Dubai), I really don't care any more.

I have gay friends who take jobs in muslim countries which have the death penalty for homosexuality.  They take the jobs a) for more money than they would earn in the UK, b) because men-having-sex-with-men is rife in those countries, and so they have more opportunities for casual sex. 

I point out to them the risks if they are caught, and they tell me they are prepared to take those risks.  If they get caught and are executed, then why should I care?  They think they can game the system, and by working in those countries, they support the system.

I only care about those poor women or gay men who are victims of the system and who have no real choice to get out of the system.

Comment by Joe on May 14, 2013 at 12:27

In the 1980s (before white feminists decided they had what they wanted, so womens' rights were passe), feminists used to have a slogan "pornography is the theory, rape is the practice".

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/muslim-imam-claims-women-w...

That needs to be revised. "Islam is the theory, rape is the practice".

Comment by Kinana on May 14, 2013 at 9:00

Alan, excellent points.  How does anyone learn what the world is really like?  I think sometimes that children's fairy tales are more true than us modern sophisticated people will accept.  There are monsters in the world.

Comment by Antony on May 14, 2013 at 8:05
Comment by Alan Lake on May 14, 2013 at 2:39

Of course we feel sympathetic to Alicia Gali.  But under the MIQASHUD list of type of people on the side of Islam, she is unfortunately one of the Hedonist/Materialists that just wants to "get on with her life" and doesn't want to have to face the political realities of the world she lives in and the freedoms she has inherited from her grandparents.

Can't blame her really, because that's what our society conditions her to do.  It just wants its drones to work in the mercantile systems to keep the wheels turning, and in return, they can do what they hell they like with their time and money at the end of the working day - they have no further obligations towards society.  John Locke would be pleased.  

Its a fundamental flaw in the ideological system of secular democracy that it breeds  drones with no interest in perpetuating that system, and in fact, which are naive suckers ripe for exploitation once they leave the protection of that cosseted little world.

I can't help wondering though, did she not see what happened in Bali?  Bombs were deliberately planted in order to kill hundreds of young and beautiful Australians scraping a nice cheap holiday, and all because they were offensive in their decadence.  Of course, she would never be told that the reason was that their decadence was offensive to Islam, because, of course, Islam is never to blame.  Nor are Muslims, there is just a tiny, tiny minority of people who happen to be called Muslim, who do these things, and they do them for no reason at all to do with Islam, its always for some other reason.

And did she not see what was happening just across the water in Saudi Arabia? Or in the rest of the Middle East?

Once again, as Mary Beard and Malcolm X say, we see chickens coming home to roost - three of them in fact.

The first chicken is the ideological conditioning to live in the world as an apolitical drone, taking no interest in the ideology or society that you live in and supports you.

The second chicken is the media conditioning to view Islam as "just another religion" where religion is understood to be separated from the state and a purely personal matter, and "just another culture", where things like the Burqa are just a different form of fashion, like Levis jeans, only in black.  Although strangely, this fashionista symbol agnosticism doesn't apply to things like black shirts and the swastika.

The third chicken is her inability to read from all the ghastly atrocities perpetrated by Islam all around the world, that there is any underlying pattern or theme or even warning.

Comment by Antony on May 13, 2013 at 8:11
 
 
 

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