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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Joe, are you suggesting that maybe profiling of people based on appearance or geogra…"

Kinana replied Jan 28, 2012 to A license to Abuse

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"Thanks to all who have commented so far.  Not sure if I understand all your efforts…"

Kinana replied Jan 23, 2012 to Femen - Collected Articles

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"'The street is the universal home of freedom and nobody should challenge that so lon…"

Kinana replied Apr 12, 2011 to Burqa Ban goes into force in France

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"I saw a discussion recently with Muslim women. There were two positions. One woman t…"

Kinana replied Oct 3, 2010 to U.K: Non-practicing Muslim woman fired for refusing to wear hijab

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"Indo this is very interesting. But i do not see the english link. please supply to c…"

Kinana replied May 22, 2010 to Model of Mariage Contract in case of Marriages between a Non-islamic (Woman) and an Islamic (Man)

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"Strength to your wings!"

Kinana replied May 9, 2010 to EDL Angels - leaflet

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""The Muslim Executive of Belgium has criticised the move, saying it would lead to wo…"

Kinana replied May 8, 2010 to Belgian lawmakers pass burka ban

5 May 8, 2010
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"'Muslims say the burka is a part of their religious culture and such state interfere…"

Kinana replied May 8, 2010 to Burqa Deceit and Abuse - collected articles

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Kinana replied Apr 17, 2010 to Domestic Terrorism and Happy Families

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"Henriette good questions. However, Najia is not a member of 4F. the above long exch…"

Kinana replied Apr 13, 2010 to FGM and Islam - a Conversation

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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