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This discussion looks at the problems for society, raised by the Burqa. The privilege of the Burqa is often abused by Muslim men to escape security forces. High profile cases of this are Osama Bin Laden, Yasser Arafat and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and there have also been several cases of terrorists in the UK doing this.


It's not only Arab or Muslim terrorists or terrorist leaders who dress as women. In 1958, the "strongman" (that was the Homeric epithet employed in those days by Time Magazine) Nuri es-Said of Iraq tried to escape from the men of Col. Qassem by dressing as a woman. He didn't succeed. He was caught, killed, his mutilated semi-naked body dragged through the streets of Baghdad for further mutilation by a populace enthusiastic about such things.

I wrote a week ago, in a blog for National Review Online, that the niqab and burqa should both be banned on security grounds, "as one cannot have faceless persons walking the streets, driving cars, or otherwise entering public spaces." Although a problem with historic roots (Iraqi irregulars disguised themselves in the Palestinian town of Deir Yassin in 1948), this blog will document the current dangers, especially in the West, of the burqa and niqab as a disguise.


Jewelry theft in London: Two robbers, male and female, stole £200,000 worth of jewelry from the exclusive Ramot on Sloane Street in Knightsbridge by wearing burqas into the store. The robbers then flung open their garments to reveal guns, threatened the staff, took their keys to the display cabinets, locked the staff in a back room, and made off in a black Mercedes Benz getaway car with what Scotland Yard called "unique" gems. (March 7, 2002)


Attacking a church: Two assailants in burqas threw a grenade among worshippers at a Christmas Day service on in the village of Chianwala, northwest of Lahore, killing three and wounding thirteen. (December 25, 2002)


Niqab as an accessory to abduction in the United States: Timothy Egan tells about the strange abduction of Elizabeth Smart, 14, in "In Plain Sight, a Kidnapped Girl Behind a Veil." Brian D. Mitchell, 49, flaunted Smart in public but kept her in a niqab-like garment that hid her for nine months from one of the most intense-person cases ever conducted.

With a veiled Elizabeth Smart and his wife in tow, Mr. Mitchell showed up at a downtown block party here, a grocery store, a restaurant, even living for about a week just one block from the Salt Lake City police headquarters, numerous witnesses say.

Throughout much of last summer [i.e., 2002], while the police and volunteers were looking day and night for Elizabeth after her kidnapping, it turned out she was moving among them in the open, dressed in the most flamboyant of outfits, and at times even camped just three-and-a-half miles from the Smart home. Mr. Mitchell was stopped by the police several times, and later arrested in San Diego on a burglary charge - all while still holding Elizabeth captive, the authorities said. …

Late last summer, the police say, Mr. Mitchell was moving all around Salt Lake City. At the block party in early September, other people approached the three and asked about the small, veiled girl. "I went up to Mitchell and asked, 'How come she can't even look at people?' " said Ron Lewis, 37, a banquet crew leader who was at the party. "I said, 'What's up with a religion that won't even let women speak?' " said Mr. Lewis, who told his story to the police today. "Her eyes were all I saw of Elizabeth," Mr. Lewis said. He said at times, Mr. Mitchell and his wife held Elizabeth's hand.

(March 14, 2003)


Burqa'ed commandos capture burqa'ed Al-Qaeda fugitive:

On the plus side, a group of Pakistani commandoes disguised itself as women to wait out a ranking Al-Qaeda operative, Abu Faraj al-Libbi. And why were they in burqas? Tim McGirk of Time explains: "U.S. and Pakistani intelligence had received a tip that a suspected al-Qaeda operative would be traveling to [the town of] Mardan disguised as a burqa-clad woman. Because any plainclothesmen seen grabbing a woman would attract a hostile mob, the commandos had donned female garb and accosted the suspect as his motorcycle crossed a graveyard." (May. 8, 2005)


Pakistani cops stop attack by burqa-clad jihadists

In the West, the "right" of Muslim women to cover their faces is uniformly presented as a civil rights and religious freedom issue. In reality, as this story from the good side of Pakistan's double game shows, it is a security issue. "Pakistani Police Thwart Attack," by Zahid Hussain in the Wall Street Journal, September 16 (thanks to Rosanne):

ISLAMABAD -- Islamic militants clad head-to-toe in women's burqas attempted to attack an oil-storage facility in Karachi, raising fears that insurgents are fleeing northwestern Pakistan and infiltrating the nation's main business hub.

Three gunmen disguised as women tried to enter the high-security terminal used by oil companies late Monday night, Waseem Ahmed, the city police chief, told Pakistani television on Tuesday. Police say they suspect the assailants disguised themselves as women to try to slip past security checkpoints.

Pakistani police officers examined weapons and ammunition left behind by attackers in Karachi, Pakistan, on Tuesday.

When stopped by security guards, the militants opened fire, killing one guard. The assailants fled during a gun battle, leaving behind the burqas, purses and hand grenades.

"We suspect they wanted to carry out a big terrorist attack which our prompt police action thwarted," said Mr. Ahmed in an interview with Geo TV Pakistan....

Posted by Robert on September 16, 2009 5:38 AM


Niqabs and Burqas - The Veiled Threat Continues
by Daniel Pipes Jerusalem Post September 2, 2009

What's new on the niqab and burqa front?

To remind, both garments are designed for the modesty of Muslim females; the niqab covers all but the eyes and the burqa covers the entire face. In "Ban the Burqa – and the Niqab Too," two years ago, I documented how these two items pose criminal and terrorist dangers.

Is that still the case?

Criminality: Jordan offers a glimpse into the potential for niqabs and burqas as illegal accessories: one news report indicates that 50 people committed 170 crimes using Islamic garments during the past two years, or roughly one incident every four days, a crime wave that has prompted some Jordanians to call for restricting or even banning these Islamic head coverings.

No other country reports nearly so many head-garment-related crimes, but Philadelphia, Pennsylvania boasts multiple robberies (3 banks and 1 real estate leasing office) in a sixteen-month period in 2007-08, including the murder of a police officer.

The United Kingdom has the West's second-worst record. Jewelry stores – some owned by Muslims – have been targeted in the West Midlands, Glasgow, and Oxfordshire. Two travel agencies were attacked in the adjoining towns of Dunstable and Luton while an armored truck driver was assaulted in Birmingham. Robbery is not the only motive; teenagers in London, used niqab-style face coverings when stabbing a younger boy.

Other criminal incidents in the West include east European pickpockets wearing Islamic headgear in Rotterdam and a burgundy burqa'ed armed robbery at the People's Bank in Hiddenite, North Carolina (population: 6,000). The man who abducted Elizabeth Smart, 14, of Salt Lake City, forced her to wear a niqab-like garment that hid her in plain sight for nine months.

In response, banks, credit unions, jewelry stores, and schools are limiting access to persons of cover. For example, the Carolina Federal Credit Union of Cherryville, North Carolina, not far from Hiddenite, steers anyone wearing hats, sunglasses, or hoods to an isolated teller where special security measures obtain.

Terrorism: Taliban reliance on burqa'ed terrorism, often of the suicide variety, makes Afghanistan the current world epicenter of this tactic. On two occasions, authorities foiled would-be suicide bombers before they could act – one a Russian male convert to Islam with 500 kilograms of explosives in an automobile in Paktia Province, the other an Afghan woman hiding a bomb in Jalalabad.

An Afghan soldier stands guard over a burqa used by a male Taliban suicide bomber to attack government buildings in Paktia Province.

Usually, though, violent intentions are hidden by the burqa, becoming apparent only after an attack begins:

A Taliban commander, Haji Yakub, was killed in burqa as he tried to escape a house in Ghazni Province while attacking U.S. forces.
A Taliban operative, Mullah Khalid, attacked a police patrol in a crowded market in Farah Province. killing at least 12 people (7 police, 5 civilians).
A suicide bomber in Helmand Province killed a Pashtu-speaking British soldier before being shot in the forehead.
About fifteen suicide bombers in burqas armed with suicide vests, Kalashnikovs, and grenade-launchers drove to government buildings in Paktia Province and killed 12 persons.
Iraq suffered three such incidents (a male insurgent disguised as a pregnant woman, an attempted assassination of a governor, and two suicide bombers killing 22 Shi'i pilgrims) while Pakistan suffered two (one, operating from a rickshaw, killed 15 people). The attack on Mumbai that left nearly 200 dead included a mysterious burqa'ed woman. Elsewhere, incidents involved an attack on French tourists picnicking in Mauritania and a Molotov cocktail attack in Bahrain.

Oh, and on the bright side, Herve Jaubert, a Frenchman falsely accused of embezzling $3.8 million managed to escape Dubai by donning a niqab.

As an ancillary problem, new studies in both England and Ireland have found that covered women (and their breast-fed children) tend to get rickets disease due to an insufficiency of vitamin D, which the skin absorbs from sunlight.

(For greater detail on all these issues, see my weblog entry, "The Niqab and Burqa as Security Threats.")

I have previously called for a ban on "these hideous, unhealthy, socially divisive, terrorist-enabling, and criminal-friendly garments" from public places. Now joining with fed-up Jordanians, I reiterate that call. Islam requires that women wear neither niqab nor burqa, while public welfare emphatically requires their public prohibition. How many more cases of robbery and terrorism must occur for this common-sense stricture to be applied from Afghanistan and Jordan to the United Kingdom and Philadelphia?


Yet another Burqa crime - this time in Bury, 5 May 2010

6ft robber wearing a burka leads raiders in jewellery shop heist

Last updated at 5:12 PM on 6th May 2010

A robber wore a burka as a disguise to carry out a raid on a jewellery shop, police said today.

The cross-dressing criminal used the black head-to-toe garment, worn by some Muslim women, to hide his identity.

Owners of the jewellers in Bury, Greater Manchester, thought the 6ft-tall robber was a woman and allowed him entry.


Armed robbery: after allowing what they thought was a woman wearing a burka into a shop, staff at Capri Jewellers were help up by a shotgun-wielding gang 

But as soon as he was buzzed in three men barged in behind him - one brandishing a shotgun. They raided the shop, stealing a large amount of bracelets, rings and lockets, before escaping in a waiting car, thought to be a silver Toyota Yaris.

Police are now hunting five men, all Asian, thought to be involved in the raid, which took place at about 4.15pm yesterday at Capri Jewellers on Benson Street in Bury.

The offender dressed as a woman is described as Asian, around 6ft tall and of thin build.

The getaway driver is described as Asian, in his early 20s, of chubby build. He was bald and wearing glasses.

The other three offenders are described as Asian and were wearing balaclavas.

The gang left behind two holdalls that were branded Wei Bao.

Det Sgt Chris Jameson, of Greater Manchester Police, said: 'The store has very tight security so the ruse used to gain entry shows a level of detailed planning, and I want to hear from anyone who may have overheard the gang preparing for this robbery.

'I would also urge anyone who knows the whereabouts of the getaway car or who may have been approached with a view to buying the stolen items to call police. All information will be treated in strict confidence.'

In western Europe wearing of the burka or face-coverings in public has stirred controversy, with some countries considering or imposing a ban on the dress.

Muslims say the burka is a part of their religious culture and such state interference is evidence of prejudice against their faith.

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No hiding place! Police release mugshot of fraudster who hid face behind Muslim veil
A FRAUDSTER who hid her face behind a Muslim veil when she turned up to court has been named, shamed and identified by police.
By: Owen Bennett
Published: Thu, September 19, 2013


Shaheda Lorgat arrives at court with her face covered, but police released her picture [CASCADE]

Shaheda Lorgat, 49, from Blackburn, went for court hearings in a niqab after being charged with stealing £21,000 from a college where she worked as a purchasing officer.

Passersby were unable to see her face as she arrived at Preston Crown Court, Lancs, to face justice over the thefts.

But after she was jailed for a year Lancashire Police agreed to issue Lorgat's mugshot wearing her head scarf but without her face covering.

They also issued a statement saying frauds like the crimes she committed would "not be tolerated." The police picture taken at the time of her arrest shows Lorgat looking shamed faced as an officer took the photo.

Despite wearing the religious face covering outside court she she lifted the veil and allowed her face to be shown without prompting when she went into the dock to be sentenced for her crimes.

Facebook picture of Shaheda Lorgat

I don't think I've seen her wear a veil so I don't know why she would wear one outside court.

Neighbour Hawa Hamid

Neighbour Hawa Hamid said: "I'm just very shocked by it all and I didn't know she had gone to prison. I only saw her the day before yesterday and she was smiling.

"When I've seen her in the neighbourhood she's only been wearing a head scarf and I don't think I've seen her wear a veil so I don't know why she would wear one outside court.

"Presumably she did not want anyone to recognise her."

Lorgat, from Blackburn, Lancs, had systematically stolen thousands of pounds of taxpayers money earmarked for college equipment at Blackburn College over a three year eight month period to fund a "lavish lifestyle."

She spent the stolen on a holiday to Florida, a trip to Alton Towers, solicitor's bills for her divorce from her ex-husband and builders' costs including renovations to her bathroom.

The thefts came to light in February last year when a member of staff noticed discrepancies on the college credit card.

An internal audit uncovered 'financial discrepancies' and Lorgat was suspended from her role. Police initially feared up to £90,000 had been stolen.

Among the personal items Lorgat paid for on the college account were a total of £9,031 worth of personal travel costs, solicitors bills totalling £2,464 and a total of £8,473 worth of tradesmen's costs.

Other items included £465 worth of services at Alton Towers, £315 worth of personal holiday costs, a supermarket bill of £202, goods worth £245 for personal use and prescription sunglasses worth £153.

Blackburn College where Shaheda Lorgat worked [CAVENDISH]

Lorgat, who has since been sacked from her job, pleaded guilty to 19 counts of fraud by abuse of position.

She claimed she started fraudulently using the credit card when her husband left her after more than 20 years' of marriage. She said the break up led to mental health problems.

In mitigation defence lawyer Leila Ghahhary said: "When her husband left her, she felt a desperate need to pretend to the outside world that everything was okay.

"Her state of mind and emotional anxiety and the stress she was iety and the stress she was going through at the time lead her behave in a way that projected something totally different, hence the spending."

Passing sentence the judge Mr Recorder Robert Crawford told: "All these things you did with public money that should have been spent on an educational institution."

Rachel Curry, director of resources at Blackburn College, said: "The college is satisfied with the outcome of the legal proceedings against a former colleague who was dismissed from our employment over 18 months ago following an investigation initially triggered by minor financial discrepancies.

"As one of the largest and most financially stable further education colleges in the UK, whilst the situation was unfortunate and regrettable there was no impact on the education and training of our learners."

Lorgat's ex-husband Mr Mohammed Lorgat said she carried out the fraud after they had separated and divorced and he no longer had contact with her.

PC Anita Whittle said: "I am pleased with today's sentence, especially given the amount of money that Shaheda Lorgat spent on Blackburn College's credit card which was there to be used for things that benefit the college and its students.

"I hope that today's sentence shows that fraud of any kind will not be tolerated, and those who think that it's acceptable to commit this type of crime will be brought before the courts."

The case comes just days after another Muslim woman accused of witness intimidation was ordered by a London court to remove her veil when giving evidence at her forthcoming trial.

She will have to show her face to the judge, lawyers and the jury so they can see her facial expression when testifying in her defence but she will be screened from off from the rest of the court.

Young woman in a burka, claims she was raped by three men (who ripped off her burka). She lied.

Member of Syrian army apparently disguised himself as a burka babe.

The next time some brain dead Muslim or Ansar accuses of Islamophobia for rejecting the niqab, tell him to STFU, since, as the case below shows, the full veil can just as easily be used as a tool for crime by the Kuffar, as by Muslims.

Student accused of dousing friend with acid 'wanted to get her raped and had asked Muslim students where to buy a niqab'

  • Court hears that Mary Konye told friend she planned to disfigure Naomi Oni
  • Omolola Vincent said: 'She told me she had acid. She bought it online'
  • Konye admits wearing a niqab to follow Miss Oni, but denies attacking her


Disfigured: Naomi Oni of Dagenham, East London, was permanently scarred after she was attacked on her way home from work at Victoria's Secret

A student who allegedly threw acid in her friend’s face said she wanted to have her raped, a court was told yesterday.

Mary Konye, 21, is also said to have asked Muslim students about where to buy a niqab, or Islamic veil, telling them she had to go to a Muslim relative’s funeral.

The court heard that Konye told a friend she planned to disfigure Naomi Oni, saying: ‘I’m going to mess up the one thing that girl has – her looks.’

Omolola Vincent, 20, told Snaresbrook Crown Court in North-East London: ‘She said she was going to throw acid on her. She told me she had acid. She bought it online.’

Miss Oni, 21, of Dagenham, East London, was attacked on December 30 on her way home from work. The Victoria’s Secret shop assistant suffered permanent scarring all over her body and her face.

She also nearly lost the sight in both eyes.

Konye is accused of following her home dressed in a niqab and throwing acid in her face as she got off at her bus stop.

Konye’s college friend Miss Vincent also said that Konye posted a picture of Freddy Krueger, the disfigured character from the Nightmare on Elm Street horror film, online.

She then changed her written status to: ‘That’s what you’re going to look like when I’m finished with you.’

Miss Vincent, a student, added: ‘As soon as I saw it I messaged her and I said "Oh my gosh, did you actually do it?"

‘She replied that even if she did do it she wouldn’t tell anybody.’


Miss Vincent, who had studied chemistry at college, told the court that Konye had quizzed her about the laboratory and had asked whether there was acid.

She added: ‘She told me she had acid. She said she bought it online. She said the acid was in her house.

‘It was [from] one of those dodgy websites. It was dodgy countries like Chinese type of places. When she was saying it she was kind of laughing it off so it wasn’t really taken serious.

‘Even when she was saying she had acid, she was saying it in not a serious way so we didn’t take her seriously.’ 

'Even if she did do it she wouldn¿t tell anybody': CCTV Mary Konye wearing a niqab following Miss Oni as she walks through a tube station. Konye denies throwing acid in the face of her former friend

'Even if she did do it she wouldn’t tell anybody': CCTV Mary Konye wearing a niqab following Miss Oni as she walks through a tube station. Konye denies throwing acid in the face of her former friend

Konye, of Canning Town, East London, denies throwing or casting a corrosive fluid with intent to burn, maim, disfigure, disable or do grievous bodily harm.

She admits following Miss Oni and to being the person wearing a niqab.

The case continues.

In the above acid attack, it seems a near certainty that no perp would have been located, if this "friend" of the victim had not been telling others what she intended to do.

Thus, keeping silent about serious criminal intentions + wearing a burka (+ gloves), is practically a guarantee that someone can get away with a crime.  The only case when that would not be true, is when members of the public are able to jump in and stop the criminal(s) (as in the raid on Selfridges).

After jury fails to reach verdict, Muslim woman who wore veil in court admits intimidating witness

A Muslim woman who was allowed to wear a full-face veil in court during her trial has admitted witness intimidation.

The jury trying Rebekah Dawson, 22, at Blackfriars Crown Court in London was discharged this afternoon after failing to reach a verdict after deliberating for more than 12 hours.

But in a dramatic twist after a short delay, Dawson came back into court and admitted the same charge of witness intimidation that she had denied at trial.

What kind of a useless fucking jury is this.  12 hours to deliberate on this case? My bet is there were several muslims on the jury who were going to make sure that the kafir justice did not rule against their "sister".

The thug clearly didn't want to have a re-trial, so she pleaded guilty.  Or is she just doing the whole thing because she's a media whore for islam.

"The niqab is not on trial."  Just like they said that "islam was not on trial" with the killers of Lee Rigby, when it damned well should have been.

It was an accident that could have easily been prevented.

MONTREAL: Muslim woman strangled to death when her headbag (hijab) gets tangled in subway escalator
A Muslim woman in her 30s is dead after her headbag and hair became caught in a subway-station escalator. A bystander found the woman lying at the base of the escalator at Fabre metro station.
Good news for the folks in Quebec who are trying to pass the Charter of Values which would ban most religious attire in public buildings.

Edmonton Sun (h/t Susan K) When first responders arrived, the woman was unresponsive. ”We tried to perform resuscitation on site, but we weren’t able to save her,” paramedic Bob Lamle told QMI Agency.
The exact circumstances of the woman’s death weren’t immediately clear, but Montreal police spokesman Jean-Pierre Brabant said it appeared “her headscarf and her hair got stuck in the escalator.”

Now wait for the kickbacks on the kaffir.  We will now have to have guard rails installed on all escalators; the escalators must run more slowly for safety reasons; and large compensation claims will ensue from Muslims who have been inconvenienced by our inadequate infrastructure.  Just like with Muslims blowing up aircraft, its us that has to pay the price and inconvenience of extra security protocols, never the Muslim brothers.

Muslim culture (like Niqabs) is never wrong, so it must be the Kaffir culture which is wrong.   The Kaffir must learn to make  accommodations.

Here's what western society needs to say to muslims:


Kinana said:

It was an accident that could have easily been prevented.

MONTREAL: Muslim woman strangled to death when her headbag (hijab) gets tangled in subway escalator A Muslim woman in her 30s is dead after her headbag and hair became caught in a subway-station escalator. A bystander found the woman lying at the base of the escalator at Fabre metro station.

Here is another accident that could have easily been prevented.

A WOMAN who died when her Islamic head dress became tangled in a go-kart axle was on holiday with her husband and two young sons when the tragedy struck.

The 26-year-old Muslim had been enjoying a day out with family at the Port Stephens Go-Karts track when her hijab became caught up at high speed.

Husband wears burka (and women's shoes) in order to conceal himself as he murdered his wife.


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